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Recoil reduction
@ 05:28 pm (GMT) |
Dan DunnAm planning on putting a mercury recoil reducer in the wooden stock of my 30-06 Savage 111. Have had multiple retinal tears thought to be related to the recoil. Want to use on elk so really don't want to go down in caliber. Would appreciate your thoughts and advice. |
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@ 12:09 am (GMT) |
Dan DunnRe: Recoil reductionWas shooting factory 150 grain rem core locks when I got the 5 retinal tears in R eye and 3 in L. I think I would have to reload to go down to 130's. Will add a slip on or change out the pads and try again with better technique and again w the factory 150 grain. |
@ 03:01 am (GMT) |
thomas kitchenRe: Recoil reductionlet us know how you get on dan it'll be interesting to see what you find works. i did see hornady just brought out custom light 30.06 in 125grain sst if you don't reload |
@ 04:00 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Recoil reductionHi Dan, I have shot out to over 1000 yards without parallax adjustment on a very basic Leupold VX1 with 4-12x40 with retro fitted target turrets. Adjustable parallax is kind of a pain. One the hand, its another step that has to be taken before you can shoot (if the scope is fully reliant on parallax setting). On the other hand, without it, it can make long range shooting very difficult. For example, with my old 4-12x40, I had to be very careful about my eye position, otherwise the shot would be a long way off at truly long ranges.Generally speaking, with the 3.5-10 or 4-16 type scopes, you can pull off a shot with the parallax set at around 150 yards without losing time if a shot needs to be taken quickly. But as you go further up in power (eg 22-24 power), you will find that unless the scope is set at a low power setting, it is impossible to focus the scope without parallax adjustment. Turrets are more of an issue though Dan. If the turrets are mis-calibrated, the scope will not print true to drop charts. This forces us to either do the math and make manual conversions or use an iphone application / software that can work around scope errors. I tend to do the math- a pain in the butt. Its a shame that you had retina problems with the 150gr Core-Lokt. Velocity for this load is around 2900-2925fps. Hopefully you can pick out some useful info from this thread and formulate a plan. |
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@ 12:15 am (GMT) |
Dan DunnRe: Recoil reductionThanks Nathan and all of you guys for the great input. Cheers. |
@ 05:37 pm (GMT) |
John SmithRe: Recoil reductionI found in my old age that I was flinching pretty badly. So I went tothe European 6.5x55 for deer and the 7x57 for elk. The latter has taken an elk with one shot using a Hornady 140 grain SST. Following Nathan's suggestion I now reload my 7x57 with a Hornady 162 grain A-Max bullets. Washington elk tend to be in the woods. Thick woods on the west side of the state, more open woods on the east side where I live. A 300 meter shot would be very rare. These two calibers, both in Ruger No.lA's, are a joy to shoot and have pretty much solved my flinching problem. |
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@ 05:37 pm (GMT) |
John SmithRe: Recoil reductionI found in my old age that I was flinching pretty badly. So I went tothe European 6.5x55 for deer and the 7x57 for elk. The latter has taken an elk with one shot using a Hornady 140 grain SST. Following Nathan's suggestion I now reload my 7x57 with a Hornady 162 grain A-Max bullets. Washington elk tend to be in the woods. Thick woods on the west side of the state, more open woods on the east side where I live. A 300 meter shot would be very rare. These two calibers, both in Ruger No.lA's, are a joy to shoot and have pretty much solved my flinching problem. |
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@ 05:52 pm (GMT) |
John SmithRe: Recoil reductionIn my old age recoil was causing me to flinch badly. So I went to theEuropean calibers 6.5x55 for deer and 7x57 for deer and elk. Elk here in Washington state are usually found in wooded mountains. Thick woods on the state's west side and more open woods on the east side where I live. A 300 meter shot would be rare. My Ruger No. 1A in 7x57 put down an elk using a Hornady 140 grain SST. Following Nathan's suggestion I now reload the 7x57 with a Hornady 162 A-Max bullet. Both calibers are a joy to shoot and have pretty much solved my flinching problem. |
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@ 04:28 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Recoil reductionIn my second book, I have put forward a useful method for determining bullet suitability for game. As far as the A-Max goes in 7mm, I tend to rate this as a 10% bullet based on this method. Sorry guys, I do not wish to delve further into the details here apart from to say that I do not suggest the 7mm A-Max as being "ideal" for Elk, but that it can be used succesfully at lower velocities and in the 7x57, this bullet can make for a good all around type of load where a wide range of game body weights are to be encountered.Earlier in this thread, I suggested the .280 Remington for Dan as an option. But the 7x57 has great merit. A 160 grain bullet driven at 2650fps can be highly effective and certainly produces less recoil than the .30-06. However, two of the most high recoiling rifles I have ever shot were an ill fitting 7mm08 and a 7x57. I shoot up to 300 rounds magnum per week, you name it, I shoot it. But an ill fitting light weight rifle with a sub standard trigger and short eye relief scope can still throw me. These rifles can really annoy me. Marty mentioned shooting a Lightweight Browning not too long ago, a.30-06 with basic loads. It near knocked him into next week with short eye relief euro optics. Another good example. So, whichever direction is taken, rifle configuration cannot be neglected. One cannot be put ahead of the other (within reason). |
@ 06:41 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Recoil reductionYes that’s what it did alright!It was a Brand new Browning Maral in 30-06 using Winchester 150gn topped with a new Swaro 3-12…. Terrible combination! I commented to Nathan that “l had forgotten just how bad it was to shoot a poorly configured 30-06 “. It’s no bench rifle I know but you need to sight it in and the fella was struggling with the recoil. Shying away from the stock because of the short eye relief only compounding his problems! I had just finished shooting load work with my Remington 308 & 300wm, Tikka 9.3X62 with 250 & 285gn pills. The Browning had more belt than any of those even though it was running the lightest pill by far. Not fun to use at all. |
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