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BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?
@ 12:37 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittSo I can get a BSC CF2 30-06 for half a thousand $$$. The plan is to get True flight to rebarrel it to 35 Whelen? What's your thoughts. ? |
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@ 07:44 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Finally got rid of the copper and carbon. It's amazing what direct sunlight and a HD camera shows up eh! Rust and pitting in the muzzle. I let loose a couple S&B 150 GR rounds into a log @20 yards. They were in the right place. Will take it to the range and see what it's grouping like @100 yard's
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@ 09:41 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?I do have a beard...lolthat muzzle looks as bad as Sons .308 and I manged to poke 3 holes within an inch of each other with that.....look forward to your range report. |
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@ 11:04 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?I could put it in my lathe and take half an inch off the end and re crown it. Will let you know what it's like as is. It's nice to shoot and I like the trigger. Cheers Mike |
@ 09:00 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Its pretty stuffed Warwick. I've seen land war muskets in better nick than this. A dock and re-crown possibly won't make much difference. Anyway, it will make for a good Whelen.Mike, you asked whether there was any advantage to a 225gr .35 cal bullet over a 220gr .30 cal bullet. This is the main problem with only having the KB half populated as I have only painted half the picture. There is a difference in performance when comparing the two. I need to remedy this lack of info over the coming year. Warwick- twist rate for the NZ button is 1:12. This is on the fast side but hopefully it will work well with the various chamberings. |
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@ 11:08 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Thanks Nathan. I'm quite pleased that it's tired. It's perfect for a 35 Whelen project. 1:12 twist looks good. I'll wait for True-Flight to tool up. Cheers |
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@ 08:37 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Barrels are made, reamers are about a week away, production possible in a couple of weeks from now depending on TF work load. |
@ 03:24 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?hi warwick.it looks like that barrel made the 35 whelen decision for you. might as well give it a go in 30.06 anyway at least you'll have brass to convert. i haven't used a 35 cal so can't comment on there performance, but hearing Nathan talk so excitedly about them when discussion the possibility of my 35/303 was good enough for me. in a very loose way i guess comparing the 35 whelen to 30.06 is similar to comparing the 25-06 to the 30.06 its a massive jump in performance anyway you look at it. |
@ 07:10 pm (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Amazing what a good clean shows up it didnt look that bad. at lest the rest will make a sexy Whelen |
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@ 08:33 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Hey Chris. It's the perfect project rifle. Without your help it would have been a blind purchase. The muzzle was full of dust and I wasn't expecting you to scrub and muck out the barrel. I just hope that the guy I brought it off. Checks his other rifles and his safe for damp. Guns and boats spend more time as safe or trailer queens waiting for you to take them out? Imagine if the barrel was in like new condition? Thankfully it's not.It's a great example of why you need to inspect your firearms and keep them well oiled greased and stored in a dry safe. Have any of you got one of those cupboard heaters in your safes? An ounce of preventions better than a tonne of cure? http://www.brettpro.co.nz/index.html |
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@ 08:51 pm (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?i keep one of those damp-rid tub in my safe in the winter and change it ones a month |
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@ 04:33 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?As long as the temperature of your guns is higher than the Dew point. The moisture in the air won't condensate on the steel of your valuable "Food collection tools." ( formerly called GUNS) also be aware that on a hot humid day after driving with the Air Conditioning on cold that your shooting stick will be colder than the outside air and the moisture in the warmer air will form condensation on the scope & steel ! Fogging the scopes lenses and making that shot at the fleeing or charging wildlife impossible. I keep them away from anything that will make them colder than the outside air. The same applies to laptops and any other moisture sensitive items. A 15 watt light bulb mounted a 3rd of the way off the bottom and left going in the safe will keep it warm and dry and keep the air circulating from convection or a unit in the link above will do the same thing but won't light up the inside. This is why the freezer gets full of ice. Every time you open it up the moisture in the air that gets inside condenses on the cold surfaces. A cold bottle of beer gets wet from the water in the air condensing on it and a cold rifle will do the same. |
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@ 02:48 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?So I made a neck expanding device in my lathe and necked up a 30-06 case to .358 with lots of Lee case lube. It's a bigger hole for sure! I got some Hornady 250 GR SP interlocks from Magnum Sports in Stratford. The Whelen is quite formidable a looking round. .......
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@ 03:31 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?G'day guysThis is the best lube I've used so far. 
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@ 03:14 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Thanks Bob. I use the Lee case lube
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@ 04:28 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Warwick........do yourself a favour and throw that "toothpaste" away BEFORE it causes you grief!!!!!!!I love my lee products but that stuff causes all sorts of guys all sorts of grief. maybe the instructions arent followed 100% but the results arent pretty and I know of one guy who stuffed the threads on his press because of it!!!!! |
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@ 04:44 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?OK thanks Mike. I'm still new to reloading so anyhelp and advice is much appreciated. It was easy to use necking up the two cases to make some dummy rounds I did use the tool post on the lathe to push the cases over the home made expander that I made. Anyone in NZ have brand name of a better case lube Available locally? Colgate Total maybe ? Haha |
@ 05:56 am (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?yeap i agree with bob mavin, it is the bees knees (excuse the pun)I've tried 5 different types and the imperial wins hands down |
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@ 07:05 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?hi warwick.workshop innovations sells imperial lube, they also have hornady neck dies that might be an option. i have been using a hornady 338 neck die then 35 neck die to neck up 303 brass but all my dies will have to be custom made or modified unlike yours. you should be able just to run 30.06 brass through whelen dies without any issues but everything is trial an error its half the fun. |
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@ 11:53 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Thanks Thomas. I have 100 Hornady 35 cal 250 GR SP projectiles if you want to try some email Nathan for my details. Also on Trade Me are Barns TSX 225 GR if you want to go half's in a box for load development let me know? To be honest the Lee lube worked incredibly well opening 30-06 to 358 on my home made expanding die! Ive got two tubes of it so once its used up will look at the others. I hate ending up with unused stuff lying around. If i get a stuck case I have my Lathe and taps to remove it as its no worse than removing starter motor bushes or broken studs. Cheers mate Hows your project coming along? |
@ 08:06 pm (GMT) |
Randall ThomasRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?After reading through this, I'd like to advise you to consider the Ackley Improved version. Once you open up the neck, from 30 to 35-cal there really isn't much of a shoulder left to index on. The improved version has a much more distinct shoulder to index off of.And since you are starting with a blank, and will need to order readers anyway, the improved version will cost little if anything more. |
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@ 09:04 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Thanks Randal. I thought about going the 35 Whelen AI But decided that the extra fire forming process wasn't worth the extra 100-200fps gains. Also being able to use factory ammo makes it not too wild a Feline to feed! ( Not that Ive seen any 35 Whelen ammo in NZ) At some point you have to choose between the amount of effort required vs the gains? I've ordered Lee dies and a Hornady .358 Neck die and case length gauge. Too late to change now. Also I don't know if True Flight have got an Ackley Improved reamer. The K.I.S.S motto has to be adhered to at times. If I Run a long barrel there's a wee bit to gain and can be docked if not found to be practical. I'm sure that True Flight know all there is to get the chamber right. Thanks for your advice and input. That's the great thing about this site people share what they know. |
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@ 09:45 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?Hi WarwickWhile your ordering the imperial re-sizing lube. I also use Imperial dry neck lube, its a container full of small ceramic beads & graphite. After for fire your rifle it makes neck sizing easy & lubes the inside of the neck for smooth bullet seating, no chance of contaminating the gun powder. Bob |
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@ 01:44 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?This is the thread that just keeps giving huh.OK, I did order an AI reamer and all the reamers cleared customs a few hours ago. Warwick, you were toying with the idea of having the barrel longish to keep velocities up. If you do go this way and and also go with the AI, it will make a wee bit of a difference and give you some powder BD versatility. The AI cases will last a long time and you can still run factory ammo through it- if NZ is ever properly re-supplied. The fireforming is no big deal and you could in a pinch fireform with the 180gr XTP pistol bullet as these are generally cheaper to obtain and shoot OK regardless of the 1 thou difference. But- you may need to make sure the case mouth is wide enough, without any spring back after the size up (unless you want to fire them backwards as chunky boat tails LOL). |
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@ 06:35 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?this thread really does make interesting reading.not sure how hard it is to do a second chamber cut from 35 whelen to 35 whelen improved, as there's always an option of starting with one then going to the improved, but its a lot of hassle when you could just start with the improved one. first thing i thought when i saw the thread talking about improved whelen was it makes dies hard to get. a quick search shows both rcbs and redding make improved whelen dies. there's the lee custom collet and seating sets to. hmm decisions eh Warwick hope your enjoying the project. on a 2nd note as you asked, just waiting on trueflite to go into production on there barrels then it'll be full steam ahead on the 35/303. i am thinking of ordering a boyds lee enfield butt stock to add some length of pull and better lines compared to military butt stock, but that maybe down the line more |
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@ 08:33 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: BSA CF2 in 30-06, Rebarrel to 35 Whelen ?I might be a tight arse, but I've always hunted with my loads when fire forming cases. Mine have always been around an inch at 100m, so I shoot them into Deer rather than waste powder & projectiles.Bob |
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