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7x57 loads for barnes bullets
@ 01:04 pm (GMT) |
mark korteI was hoping someone could suggest a load for 7x57 using IMR 4064 and Barnes TSX boattails in 150 gr or 160 gr. My rifle is a Ruger #1a. I am concerned about the all copper bullets opening sufficiently on elk sized game at 200 yards and under. |
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@ 05:58 pm (GMT) |
chris murphyRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsMark as Nathan said about disproportionate to caliber wounding the bullet in the clip they tested on gel barely opened up wider than the body of the bullet, this would cause I pin hole and do stuff all and in the interest of the environment making animals suffer is worse than a bit of lead in my opinion. |
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@ 07:26 pm (GMT) |
mark korteRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsGuys, guys - I'm on board, I'm on board. I think I gave all of you the credit you truly deserve as far as real world experience goes. And I carefully read the KB on killing and it makes sense to me as it does to a friend I passed it on to. I hope I can make a .120, 47 grn load work for my rifle as Bob suggested -haven't had a chance to try yet. My last post was more to the point of what Barnes is claiming and of the efficacy of using the water tank test, as I have seen it used elsewhere. I also wanted to pass along the info on raptor deaths dropping as a result of voluntary use of non-toxic bullets. That news clip made hunters look pretty good I thought.And, as it turns out, one of the private landowners allowing me to hunt is requiring non-toxic bullets as a term of access this year. High velocity. lighter bullet, relatively short ranges - that's me! Again - my apologies for ruffling feathers.....again.... And Thank You for your time! |
@ 08:15 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsNo feathers ruffled. Communication can be challenging at the best of times. Just because I open my mouth and make noise or type words- this does not mean I am able to communicate to you in a way that you understand me. That is simply my assumption which may be true or false at any given point in time.That report you quoted also stated voluntary removal (or assuming burial) of blood shot meat. It did not state copper as a sole factor. A recent 2013 report (USA) showed that copper or steel based bullets used for gong / silhouette shooting may be able to cause forest fires due to temps of 800 degrees during bullet deformation. More food for thought. Just be careful who's hands you play into when playing this game. |
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@ 02:25 pm (GMT) |
mark korteRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsHi Guys -Friend and I worked loads up to 47 grns. No signs of excess pressure and this load continued to deliver very good accuracy from the bench at 200 yards. Using the ballistic table supplied by Chris and muzzle velocity supplied by Bob (3000 fps) I find that impact velocities at 200 yards are around 2570 fps - from what I gather sufficient for good shot placement/ 200 yard max limit on elk for this rifle. Interestingly (we thought), the load displayed very little change in drop/rise between 100 and 200 yards. As Nathan pointed out early on the copper bullet discussion is one worth continuing if only to spur more research into better performing designs/materials as well as to inform people like me the overall importance of velocity in homogeneous bullet performance in hunting. Thanks again to everyone for your help and your patience, especially Nathan. You have saved me a bunch of head scratching and hopefully, a bunch of grief in the field. mark |
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@ 03:55 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsGood to hear Mark. Great stuff. [b] |
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@ 11:21 am (GMT) |
mark korteRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsHi All -Thought it might be informative to others to follow up on the lengthy discussion a few months back. I was never able to find the bull elk I wanted, but I did shoot a cow with the 7x57 load finally settled upon - 47 grns IMR 4064 w/Barnes 120 grn TTSX. The animal was maybe 175 yards away and the hit was a "meat saver" - just behind the shoulder. She dropped immediately and was nearly dead by the time I had collected my nearby pack and got to her. Because it was late, I was alone and the already "western" weather was quickly deteriorating, I did not take the time to do anything approaching a full necropsy (I'm not a fan of organ meat and usually never even open the body cavity - just bone out all the meat from the outside after skinning for the lightest possible pack out). I did observe that the exit wound which clipped the back of the far shoulder was about the size of a golf ball. I know this is only one relatively short-range example, but the reloading advice I received here helped us work up an effective and accurate load for my Ruger #1 that allowed me to use the copper bullet I wanted to use. I wish I could have collected the spent bullet, but from what I have been reading about these projectiles (on other sites - not this one!) I suspect it finally came to the earth somewhere in Siberia. The lesson learned about copper bullets from many of you and from the field - keep bullet weight down and velocity as high as is safe and accurate. Thanks! |
@ 02:52 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: 7x57 loads for barnes bulletsgreat to hear you got it sorted and it worked for you.now as for the meat retrieval........mate you left the juiciest, most tender,mouth watering melt in your mouth pair of steaks behind !!!!!! inside the gut cavity along the back bone running from pelvis forward are two small steaks..on a red hind just enough for a feed for two. if you dont eat heart etc please do yourself a favour and get these wee puppies out as they are simply devine and did I mention tender???? hahaha now you will have to go and shoot another to test projectiles some more and get "eye steaks" out to try as well. ;-) |
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