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Superformance in the '06?
@ 09:34 pm (GMT) |
Joshua MayfieldGood Day Gentlemen,I unexpectedly came into possession of a pound of Superformance powder. I know that this bottle of powder is not the same powder that's in Hornady's factory .30-06 Superformance loads. Has anyone loaded the bottled stuff for the '06? Is it worth pursuing or should I save it for a different caliber? The powders I currently have for the '06 are H414, IMR4350, and R22. I'm guessing that the Superformance would not hang with R22 when it comes to 180 gr. and heavier bullets. But I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile loading some 150s and 168s in front of it. |
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@ 11:03 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Superformance in the '06?Hi Joshua, this powder is just awesome in the .30-06. Burn rate is akin to H4831sc so it works best with the heavies, especially 200 and 208gr.The trouble with H4831sc, is that you cannot fit enough into the 06 case. But there is no trouble with SF powder. With either the 200 ELD-X or 208gr, consider 57 grains as maximum, working up with caution. Some rifles will go further but some will hit max pressures at 57 grains. I do not believe there is any actual print data so you cannot quote me on this as being a safe practice. All care- no responsibility. I cannot condone this load data as being safe in any rifle. Sweet spots 2650 to 2750fps. Custom long throat rifles may go 2750 to 2800fps. Again, I cannot condone any of this as being a safe practice. Basically WSM speeds from the 06. Bla bla, top secret, bla bla. Yada yada, not safe, bla bla. |
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@ 02:33 am (GMT) |
Joshua MayfieldRe: Superformance in the '06?Wow, I am glad I asked. That gives me another course to see if my rifle will hit that mark of 2600fps with the 208gr. Amax. I think "hammer of Thor" was the description. It is fascinating what the different powders make possible. |
@ 07:14 am (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Superformance in the '06?I think you'll get to 2600fps easily if this superformance is as good as they say.I was getting 2550 with 54gr of ar2209, 22" barrel just the other day, unfortunately most loads with the 208 amax have been all over the place. |
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@ 07:16 am (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Superformance in the '06?oh yea, no pressure signs evident so could probably get 2600 or close to.be interesting to see how you go. |
@ 07:15 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Superformance in the '06?load data online for this stuff is like rocking horse pooh!!!!!!Mate of mine bought pound of it and wants me to load for his .308 with it starting at 43grns with a 150 grn pill now being the triple check everything type of reloader I am some serious net surfing was called for. he telling me its by win 760 hodgdon linked burnrate chart (only one with superpreformance powder) puts it further down by win 780 no one has load for .308 my newer manuals dont list load for H4831 either but my older one does...50grn powder for 37200 cup with suggested velocity of 2525 so now Im very concerned being this slow is the dreaded secondary explosion come into play with load reduced to 43grns |
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@ 08:28 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Superformance in the '06?OK, put all of that theory aside and out of your mind.Major points: Burn rate is near identical to 4831sc / ADI 2213sc. Does not work with light pills in .308, must be blended with fast spherical for this. I got caught out with this a while back. Thought I had my ducks in a row, pulled ammo, took notes on the loads so that others could duplicate it, then got caught out when the tin I had differed from the blends. If running in the .308, use the 200gr ELD-X. You'll need to use 2209 data to start with. If the rifle has a short barrel, don't bother. |
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@ 08:32 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Superformance in the '06?FYI, lever-evolution would be even better for the .308 with heavy pills (2209 burn rate). |
@ 10:19 pm (GMT) |
Tony PotterRe: Superformance in the '06?Hi All . An interesting post as I've started preliminary load development in 30-06 using Superformance . I have a VZ24 mauser that displayed a slight swelling on the case just in front of the extraction groove when working with ADI 2208 win brass & primers &208 A-MAX. This was happening way before book max load.This resulted in a stiff bolt during extraction. I decided to try Superformance as I've heard it delivered good velocity without excessive pressure. Unfortunately I've run out of projectiles but this is what I've discovered so far. 208A-MAX 56g avg 2640 fps no swelling easy extract last projectile bugger.180 Speer BTSP 59.5g avg 2760 fps no swelling easy extract Also last projectile also bugger.l also have the same issue on my 8mm Mauser but as this is set up for close range bush work MAX velocity is not an issue. Tried working up some loads with Superformance for it but no joy. I've noticed on hornadys realoading data on line a load using Lever - Everloution powder for 8mm Mauser. I might try this and see if it works like the Super did in the 06. Oh well better go spend some money on some more projectiles to continue the load development. |
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@ 05:58 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Superformance in the '06?thanks Nathan...far better to have double checked than wrecked his rifle or worse.... |
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@ 09:25 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Superformance in the '06?Question from today's email:06 and superformance. Hi Nathan, is this as good for 180's as 200's? Is superformance OK as far as temp sensitivity? Thanks Reply: Hi ..., 180gr is about as light as you can go with this powder and it will fill the case right up. Will take around 59 grains for 2900fps, velocity much like a .300 WSM or Win Mag factory load (actual as opposed to advertised). Work up loads very cautiously as the 59gr quoted above is from my own notes and not any manuals so it may prove unsafe in other rifles. Temp stability has been pretty good, I have not seen any major issues yet but still collecting long term data. If you hunt in extremes, you may want to use a magnum primer. But generally speaking, the Fed 210 standard primer is ideal. All the best. |
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@ 09:28 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Superformance in the '06?FYI, note how my suggested load for 2900fps differs from Tony's results above. Just goes to show how much variation can occur from rifle to rifle. Barrel length also has an effect to the tune of 35fps per inch. |
@ 09:59 pm (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: Superformance in the '06?Hi Tonywas just wondering what your c.o.a.l is? Noticed you mentioned a Mauser rifle was wondering if it's still got standard length magazine? Nathan I notice somewhere you mentioned pulling tips off to seat projectiles out more ( I think you were talking 338) have you experimented with the 208 amax doing the same? I got a mate that has a Tikka in 300 win mag and was thinking about getting him to use the 208 amax with tips removed. And yes the silly bugger should of your rifle book before he brought it, I did tell him that after I stopped laughing at him |
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@ 06:55 am (GMT) |
Tony PotterRe: Superformance in the '06?Hi ThomasYes the MAUSER has factory mag length. OAL for the 208 a-max was 3.285" which gave .144 jump .The 180g Speer BTSP was loaded to 2.260" which gave .020" jump.Haven't had time to do anymore load development yet . |
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