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winchester XP deer season ammo
@ 08:18 am (GMT) |
Thomas Kitcheni might be a little late to the party on this one but first time i have seen this advertised http://www.winchester.com/Products/rifle-ammunition/Performance/Deer-Season-XP/Pages/default.aspxso it looks like its got a big hollow point or flat point under the plastic tip. so trying to guess how these would perform. either soft projectile that fragment, maybe the tip could be designed to help penetrate? hard projectile that does it best to hold together but the wide hollow point maximizes energy transfer? one thing that i noted was how light for caliber they were. 150gr for 30/30 up to 300 win mag. wither they hedge there bets that you would be taking longer shots if you owned a 300 win mag compared to 30/30 |
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@ 02:00 am (GMT) |
Brian VickermanRe: winchester XP deer season ammoHello Thomas:Before I start, I invite anyone to correct where I am wrong. You buy a bullet for your needs. I'll help explain my perception of the needs this bullet answers then that may help you decide if this is the bullet for you. This bullet weighs 130 gr in 270, 150 in 308 win and 30-06. It is not bonded and it does not have a boat tail. It does have a polymer tip. This tip aids in aerodynamics and expansion. The 270 and 39-06 maintains over 2600 fps up to 100 yds. The 308 falls short, but that may because it can be hard to fine a 150 gr bullet for the 308 in premium ammunition. This bullet is designed for white tail for shorts under 200 yds and probably for 100 yd shorts in hardwoods. Does that fit your requirements? Vick |
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@ 02:04 am (GMT) |
Brian VickermanRe: winchester XP deer season ammoI'm glad I added an "R" in shots.... instead of replacing the "O" with an "I"LOL Vick |
@ 03:01 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: winchester XP deer season ammoHi Thomas, do you remember when I gave this to you all before as an exercise, was under the Browning logo. You actually got the answer straight away. Its the Silvertip remodeled, fully fragmenting. Same goes here. |
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@ 04:52 am (GMT) |
Brian VickermanRe: winchester XP deer season ammoWhat I forgot to mention is the Lubalox coating. What I like about it is reduced recoil.When testing my new 30-06 (previously mentioned) I shot 165 gr. Nosler customs followed by !80 gr Winchester Accubond CT. i had no noticeable difference in recoil. MY next shots were Winchester Power Points and Remmington Corelokts, both at 180 gr. It was.... "Where did this kick come from?" I can't explain why... but I there was a difference. I think Lubalox had something to do with it. Vick |
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@ 05:09 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: winchester XP deer season ammocheers Nathan funny thing was i remembered that, thought it might of been these so looked on the forum but saw it was browning.lucky alright vick but if your taking sh!ts out to 200 yards it might be time to see your doctor lol. that's interesting did you ever get a chance to chrono it vick? |
@ 08:32 am (GMT) |
Christopher HowseRe: winchester XP deer season ammoWould the lubalox reduce recoil or would it be something to do with different powders? i dont know the answer but this is a genuine question.i magine the lubricated or moly coated bullet may slip out a little easier but would it be noticeable to the shooter? Would powders of various burning rates affect recoil? i know ive bought low recoil shotgun ammo for the girls and some describe the .375 H&H as a gentle push as opposed to sharp recoil noted in other big calibres. Is it the powder???? |
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@ 08:32 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: winchester XP deer season ammoIn my past research, I have found that Lubalox simply allows the manufacturer to achieve relatively high velocities (actually achieve some advertised velocities) without major pressure spikes. It allowed Winchester to make some fairly fast loads that would otherwise lock up the likes of the Browning X-Bolt with 'how the hell did that get passed' chamber dimensions and a 60 degree mallet it open bolt lift. Still, if shooting a Browning in the likes of .270 Win and using Lubalox ammo- it still boots the user into next week. The .30-06 is even more fun in this rifle.The comments you quote regarding the .375 are relative to the low speed shunt. Lower speeds can create the perceptions of a rolling type of recoil if held properly. Open sights can make a difference too as does rifle weight. Note that the CZ magnum rifles are no fly weights. But as you get up to around 3000fps, the loads start to feel sharper. The .458 does not behave quite the same because although speeds are mild, the bullet weight is starting to get quite high. From time to time, you will read about powders that produced less recoil or short magnums that produce less recoil. Most of this is rubbish, the variables are so fine as to be something that we lack the sensitivity to perceive. There are some factors we can perceive such as the rolling recoil- but this still has its limits. Newtons third law is the key- equal and opposite forces. Rifle weight and stock shape are a major influence as is shooter technique which also affects perception. Trigger weight is another factor that generally goes unnoticed, a heavy trigger sets up some preloading and influences both the movement of the rifle and perception. In my experience, the higher the recoil, the lighter the trigger needs to be. Yet, the majority go the other way and think of light triggers as being more for long range hunting or match rifles only. Scope eye relief also effects perception of recoil. For benefit of my Shooting book readers, here is a photo of myself shooting the .375 RUM, 300gr bullet at 2950fps, many years ago. I used this rifle to teach myself the finer aspects of prone technique, working on sub MOA accuracy in this medium weight rifle. There are slight errors in my technique. Such photos of myself and also clients make for excellent learning / error check tools. 
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@ 01:58 am (GMT) |
Brian VickermanRe: winchester XP deer season ammoThe Winchester Accoubond CT 30-06 180 gr has a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps.The Power Point 30-06 180 gr has a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps The Core-Lokt 30-06 180 gr has a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps More kick with slower speed. I wonder if it something to do with pressure release. Vick |
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