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Sako 85 and A7 questions
@ 05:01 am (GMT) |
James MossettI heard you mention Sako quality in a video but I was not sure what model you were talking about. Is the Sako 85 Finnlight a good quality rifle?The A7 is less money (Tecomate), do they have potential to be a good shooting rifle? I see a lot of data of people trueing or accurizing a Remington 700 action and bolt. I don't see any data on the same work being done to a Sako. Is this process not easy or is it not needed? I have a .270 that shoots really well. I am consistantly shooting at 700 yard targets. I like this Sako but wondering if I got lucky when I got it. It's just an A7 I got from Cabelas on sale. I was wondering why people dont buy Sako style actions and bolts? |
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@ 05:58 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsHi James in short the modern sako is over priced junk. very hit and miss weather you get a shooter or not.since Beretta took over they have been all about cost cutting not quality. |
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@ 05:28 pm (GMT) |
James MossettRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsI'm just an aircraft mechanic. I have limited experience with rifle action and bolt quality. Where can I find a good example of quality gun parts vs a shit gun parts? I have measuring tool, but I'm not sure where to measure or what is considered good. |
@ 09:42 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsHi James, I covered these in the book series (Rifles, Accurizing). Yes, pretty lucky with yours considering how busy my mail and phone is with "help me" questions regarding both the 85 and A7.Chris gave a very succinct answer. Machine tolerances are not of relevance. If you design something very badly at its most fundamental level, fine tolerances do not help. How many current high spec engines can you name, finely crafted, that give no end of trouble. Forum member Marty who works in the motor vehicle industry (design / testing) can name a few. Actually, its (edit) finding one that works that is more of a problem these days. |
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@ 03:15 am (GMT) |
James MossettRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsI have spent a lot of time reading your data on rifle cartridges over the last few years. I have wanted to get your book for a long time now. Today I was finally able to place the order.My next order will be for bedding compound. (Shipping cost when adding bedding compound to the order was out of my budget.) I am happy that I could finally make a purchase that will help support your continued research. Order number ORDxxx6474 Does your book mention the 3 lug bolt design of the Sako / Tikka's? I liked the ideal but I am not knowledgeable as to whether the bolt is an improvement over a 2 lug. |
@ 04:29 am (GMT) |
Radley HodgsonRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsIve had my eye on a sako a7 roughtech pro as well.. 300wsm, the stock design would appear to b promising... Is it a barrel/action issue or is it a stock issue? The roughtech seems to be addressing the platform... But if the bbl's/action r hit n miss i guess u cant really fix that cheaply |
@ 04:58 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsBuy and read Nathans books they will guide you and then you can make an informed decision. Buy the right rifle in the beginning. You won't regret it. |
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@ 03:04 pm (GMT) |
Radley HodgsonRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsYea, the roughtech came out lastyear... Not in the booksThanks for the info champ |
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@ 06:23 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsYou Know what happens when youve been in a trade or industry for many years? You learn and see and get to know what does and dosent work! New equipment and tools come out that just dont cut it? and you have great pleasure in pulling out a tool that was made by a skilled tradesman in your own country years ago that just works and does what it should with ease and strength! We as a species have relinquished the potential to be so much more than what we're becoming?Radley. Once youve read them books youll posses a level of knowledge and Intelligence! The advantage being. That Bullshitters will no longer stuff your head with shovel fulls of runny cow shit and laugh after you empty your wallet for a usless fancy looking tool. How many of your friends can't sharpen a knife? Being the best you can possibly be, at what you do. Requires personal effort and thought? My mate says that "You can't bullshit a bullshitter! An old leader said that.........Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light. |
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@ 07:21 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsOk, the A7 started with a plastic stock and floating lug- see bedding instructions and stabilizer instructions and also the first book. The Roughtec is the exact same rifle with the same short magazine issues in long chamberings. The only difference is the stock which has an Ali chassis- a potentially good idea. The problem being that the lug position is fixed, making bedding difficult. When the fit is poor and the rifles are not shooting well, customers have had to have this machined out so that they can fit and correctly locate a new lug.The same goes for the B&C Tikka stock. The lug is fixed as a part of the chassis. Some stocks fit ok, others are way off the mark, the action touching in only two or three places- to be expected when a stock and rifle are made in two different countries. I sent mail to B&C about a year ago, with pictures, hoping to open a dialogue towards improvement of this stock for the sake of customers (nothing in it for me), but the email was deleted. I very much like the B&C stock but the fixed lug is a problem. Roughtec: 
B&C T3 stock (top) that would not shoot. Arrows show contact points: 
A customer mills out a B&C so that a fresh lug can be correctly fitted and bedded in place: 
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@ 07:29 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsPost 2.James, thanks for supporting us, I hope the books help you cut through all of the rubbish. It is my hope that the info is laid out clearly to the point that each time a new model rifle is announced, you can look over the design (take down a rifle in a gun store or look for online images of the action including owners manual PDF's) and be able to determine for yourself whether the design is sound or wanting. The books lay down the fundamentals in such a way that the info is always relevant. Yes, the books cover two and three lugs. |
@ 01:12 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsFirst, the small print: if I’m very lucky, it will only take another 100 years for me to learn half of what Nathan and you folks know about bedding, lugs, annealing, etc, etc. As I had to be tutored to get thru math, I can only aspire to learn what you take for granted. That said, I am not inexperienced behind the trigger. All my rifles, from .243 Win to .458 Win Mag, shoot <MOA or they go down the road pronto. No exceptions.I do try to buy quality, both rifle, mounts and glass. Beyond that, I have no special preference in manufacturer. I’ve owned, traded and sold multiple Finnlights. Every single one was a tack driver, multiple cartridges. I own two A 7 Roughtechs, a 25-06 and a 30-06. Both are consistently 1/2” rifles. I “had” an 85 in .260 Rem, it was a dog. I also had a very nice 85 in 300 WSM with great furniture that shot very well. Sold it to a gentleman who wanted it more than I did. I have an 85 Bavarian in 7 REM MAG with the set trigger that shoots like a heavy barreled varmint rifle. Like my Ruger 1A, .275 Rigby, the Bavarian is a keeper. My Tikka is the .243 Win, typical satisfying accuracy. Other than having the stocks shortened to fit me, nothing’s been done to these rifles. First, I wouldn’t know how. Second, just me personally, no need and hopefully there won’t be. Trust me, this is not a plug for Sako. I’m sure every word said here about Beretta is true. The OP asked a question and I thought my response might be helpful? Hope so. And, if you’re still undecided, for damn sure ask Nathan. Cheers. |
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@ 04:21 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Sako 85 and A7 questionsYes, unfortunately I see all the dogs. I have a customer right now, about to redesign (lug) and bed his 85, hoping that it will stop producing wide fliers at 100 yards (3" groups). The barrels on these are generally good so with redesigned bedding to stop the action shifting in the stock, it should go well. Just taking this one day at a time. Another has just emailed, planning to go the same route.As for the question regarding the Finnlite. The barrels can be tricky as they are already very thin, then fluted. I get the duds dumped on me, the double groupers that are suffering stress. These are basically bin jobs. Can be OK if you shoot one shot, then cool to ambient and shoot again. Not so good if taking faster 3 shot groups to mimic real world ridge to ridge work. It varies from rifle to rifle. Also varies with mild or under loaded factory ammo versus full power loads. There is much more I could say, but will leave it there for now. |
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