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@ 09:04 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinG'day allI bought a beautiful original Remington Mohawk in 243W the other day. I'll play with it for a while then probably get it re barreled (longer) & chambered to 25-08. I loaded a few rounds with Hornady 87gn BTHP, 36gn of IMR 4064 (I have heaps of 4064) I'm thinking the quicker powder to burn in the short 18.5" barrel? It shot well, but shit!!!! I'll need ear muffs with the flame throwing little bugger. Has anyone loaded for 243 with a short 18.5" barrel? Cheers Bob |
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@ 06:41 am (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Remington MohawkI have only loaded for .243 with 25 inch barrels, but was very pleased with them. The Rem Mohawk is an interesting rifle. I used to own one in .222 Rem and the carned thing would shoot 0.25 inch groups at 100 when I loaded ammo it liked. I put a Redfield 3-12 power scope on that and shot many coyotes when I used to call them in on the job. I did however do an glass bedding job on it before I even shot the thing. |
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@ 08:46 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkThanks Brian,I've loaded for and shot a 243 all my life. But this little fire breathing, deafening little bugger with it's 18.5" barrel is another thing. It'll be a great truck rifle. I've loaded an assortment of 2206H behind Hornady 87gn BTHP see if I can get all the powder to burn in the barrel, I'm hoping I can still get accuracy with the 1/2" of air space in the case ? I'll try them out tomorrow. Bob |
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@ 11:49 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkSorry Bryan |
@ 02:41 pm (GMT) |
Trace JacobyRe: Remington MohawkHi Bob,I have a Remington Mohawk in .222 that is one of my favorite guns. I was also concerned about burn rate of powder in such a short barrel, but after developing some loads according to the instructions in Nathan's book regarding working up past book max, I was able to get a velocity that met my needs. With the mild .222 there is no noticeable flash and low recoil, so I may not be much help regarding the .243. But it is an excellent truck gun and quick handling when making quick shots. I wouldn't opt for a longer barrel, but that's just my opinion because I like it as is. Either way, I think you will like it. |
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@ 04:35 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Remington MohawkHello again Bob. Check this link out on realguns.comIt has loads for a 20 inch barreled .243 that look close to what you might find useful. http://www.realguns.com/loads/243.htm I will have another look around too. |
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@ 06:42 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkThanks guys.My main concern is the mussel flash, not nice when spotlighting. I'm going to test some 2206H today, that's quick for a 243 but we'll see how it goes. I really like the compact rifle but the noise is deafening and the flame out of the barrel is blinding :) |
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@ 01:47 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Remington MohawkA few thoughts after reading internet garbage on short rifles:For short barreled .243 loads: With 75gr projectiles, try IMR or H4895. (I think IMR 4895 has the more linear burn rate). Stick with with something between 4198 and 4064 burn rates. If you can find it in your area, give IMR 3031 a chance. It was the premier powder for the .243 Win, for 30+ years. IMR 4320 is worth a try too. All this being said, reading the following link made me think you should change caliber in that short rifle to 358 Winchester as there is less velocity loss and muzzle flash in so short a barrel and if a bit heavier, great balance too: http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_barrel.htm Or try a suppressor but then that would add length you did not want. |
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@ 06:50 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkThanks Bryan.I had a fair bit of IMR 3031 and like a fool, thinking I'd never use it, sold it. I still have a few tins of IMR 4198. I tried IMR 4064 but a mild load gave a lot of muzzle flash. I've loaded some cases with 87gn Hornady BTSP & ADI 2206H up to 36gns ready to try but the powder only fills the case to 1/2" below the shoulder. I think it'll be better than the 4064 load though. I have nice little L579 Sako in 358 Winchester, great caliber. I use ADI 2206H with necked up 308W Lapua palma cases & 225 GK's for 2620fps, shoots one hole groups at 100m. Perfect out to 300m but most of my shots are around 300-500yds . When I get time to test the ADI 2206H loads I'll let you know. Cheers Bob |
@ 08:35 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Remington Mohawkoh suck it up buttercup...lolthese rifles are a bush hobbits delight,they made short and light for that reason,ease of carry in the tight scrub. wear ear protection or suppress it. you arent going to add anymore length than you would if you rebarreled it and the $350 to add suppressor will be less than a rebarrel. if you bush stalking for deer you are looking at one or 3 shots at most.....you arent going deaf in that amount of time...bombing up goats or range session is a different matter and ear protection an easy option,I believe it would be a shame to change something that works..... poke a short/light can on the end and it will be a really soft/mild rifle...heck the EBRG is mild to begin with. personally I would look at a DPT can and see how few baffles you are happy with...you could maybe get away with 3 for bush stalking,which would/should take the blast down to .223 levels,but add another or 2 and it would be like .22lr |
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@ 08:45 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkThe powers that be won't let us have one of those in Australia :( |
@ 09:08 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Remington MohawkHmm, I have burned through a lot of 4064 in the .243. It is already a very fast powder, best suited to the lighter pills as you are using. Older bulk tins that have been sitting half used, may also show changes in burn rate, leaning on the fast side.There are two factors here which need to be balanced. The first is the reality of the .243- it needs speed to produce its very good performance. Without initial muzzle velocity, it can be a very ho-hum cartridge indeed. On the other hand is the issue of blast. Field experience leads me to believe that it is better to have some blast and fast killing, than to have low blast and poor killing. It is also very hard to remove noise at this barrel length. Certainly much easier in the likes of the slower lever guns. In NZ, we had a hunter by the name of Graeme Omlo (am sure he still hits the hills) who spent a great deal of time sharing his personal research on the .243 with author Graeme Henry. Omlo (spelling sorry) used many .243 rifles and at least for a time, took great interest in the short barreled Remington's for hunting in the tight stuff. I was hunting with a .243 at the same time so it was interesting to read and compare notes. Most noticeable was Omlo's constant search for the most potent load (highest speed vs acceptable pressure). He was never silly about this, but he still took a great deal of time researching. At that time, Omlo was using full house loads of H414. I think anyone who really gets into the .243 eventually ends up in this place, whether consciously or subconsciously, there becomes an inherent awareness that velocity is the key to this cartridge. Perhaps you will remember past experiences with this yourself. |
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@ 09:27 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkI think that's the answer. Forget about the blast & flash and shoot it!!!I have three unopened cans of 4064, eventually I think it'll be rebarreled to a 25 Souper. |
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@ 09:26 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Remington MohawkWell!!! I got good results with 2206H , less flash flattened primers no other pressure signs though. I only went up to 36gns, 1gn under max.I'll keep on with 4064 it fills the case better. The rifles not bedded yet but all groups are from 1 1/4" to 3/4" |
@ 04:17 pm (GMT) |
Riki WaughRe: Remington Mohawkhi, new here i have a 222 rem600 nice little gun but am having a ruger rebarreled 25 souper. have you tried to find dies yet? are you going to use .243 cases or larger?. do you know any load data you seem to be from Aus so i dont intend using over 100grn proj. any info you may have would be appreciated. i will reciprocate likewise when mine arrives which shouldnt be long now.....Riki |
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@ 01:29 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Remington MohawkHello Bob. Re the Rem 600. My .222 would shoot about 1 to 1/2 inch groups until I did a proper bedding job on it. After that it was the lightest one hole rifle I ever owned. |
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