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Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectile
@ 07:30 pm (GMT) |
Jonathan KittermanThey are showing up as orderable for USA and Canada.http://www.matrixballistics.com/.270-Caliber-hunting-bullets.html |
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@ 09:47 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileGood to see these back again. That said, I do not now know the specs for the jacket or how close the tip has been drawn since the change in ownership. Time will tell. |
@ 02:42 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileIs this a good BC for the 270? Nathan, I know before you'd said that one shortcoming of the 270 is low BC projectiles. |
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@ 03:06 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileHi Lane, its a very good average BC, taking into account the various muzzle velocities and twists. But more than this, its a good versatile bullet weight for killing a wide range of game at various ranges. The trick with this type of bullet design (as a bullet maker trying to make a bullet for killing) is to not try and chase BC's to the point that you make the meplat too small and therefore diminish performance on game (think of the Sierra HPBT as a base line comparison). This is another case of understanding wants versus needs and doing what is right, rather than what is easy or in vogue. |
@ 03:12 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileCome on folks, let's get serious here. The 270 has become legend with the 130 grain bullets. Let us not decide to take on Dinosaurs with super bullets. A 165 grain bullet in the 270 is simply a wet Man's dream. Why not a 200 grain bullet where you can get it down to 30-30 velocities. What's the point? Leave the old alone, it worked just fine. If you seriously want to destroy stuff, step up to the 378 Weatherby. It kills em all DRT with factory ammo. From Pasture Poodles to Mbogo, and where legal, Elephants. I hate to be the bad bearer of bad tidings here, but there really are no magic bullets. You dump a modern day one in an animal in the proper place it is soon dead. It really is that simple. While it makes for great conversation, it is for the most part, poppy cock! :) |
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@ 03:49 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileVery passionate Thomas, but I'll have to say to each his own. Bullet performance needs vary more than ever now, because people use rifles for different things than they did when Jack O'Connor was climbing sheep mountains. 95% of the animals I've taken have been with the 270, using factory Winchester Power Points, bought at K-Mart in the 1980's by my dad, and at Wal-Mart after I turned 18. Of those, I think I shot one animal more than 200 yards away. I remember it was 275 yards, and I thought I'd shot it to the moon.That being said, there are instances where a guy might (might) want to push a bullet out further than normal hunting ranges. Maybe if a fellow had a setup for feral pigs at 600 yards, he might want to use his trusty 270. Plus, c'mon, reloading is fun! |
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@ 05:03 pm (GMT) |
Stephanie FosterRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileThomas, it seems that you believe that only your viewpoints are valid, that you are the only person who has any experiences or thoughts of any importance to offer. I believe that this is absolutely fine for you - each to his own, what ever floats your boat.However I am going to tell you here and now that courtesy and consideration of others are required if you wish to participate in our forums. If you wish to be rude and derisive there are many other hunting and shooting forums available on the internet that will welcome you. Steph |
@ 08:46 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileT.P. some of us folks still have dwindling supply of speer 170 grn projectiles for the mighty .270 no thats not a typo.last weekend we were shooting AT wallabies using a fairy stout 130 grn load at what for me is just past my usual comfort zone (google earth says 330yards) down hill angle....my loads were hitting spot on vertically but wind drift was in order of 4 feet!!!!!!!!!! howling norwester up gully between me and wallaby now had I been using a heavier projectile!!!!!!!! I long for the day Nosler put a plastic tip in a 160grn partition......... might just about have to give the old girl a birthday and put long barrel on her if they do. |
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@ 11:42 am (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileI've got some of those 270 projectiles headed my way. Can't wait to try them out. It will be a fun load to develop. |
@ 09:26 am (GMT) |
john feyereisnRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileAm I correct in guessing that you guys are trying these have 9 twist 270 barrels? If so whose are youshooting? |
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@ 10:03 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileHi John, I did all of my research on this pill with 10 twist barrels. The slowest rifle had an MV of 2740fps and still shot well. It was simply a well designed bullet. Still- the faster this can be driven, the better the potential stability in 10 twist bores.I relayed results with this bullet in Cartridges, first edition. In the second edition, the bullets were off the market so I omitted most Matrix info but left in the photos of this particular bullet for posterity. It seemed too much of a travesty to remove it when it proved to be so accurate at long ranges and had so many great experiences with the original bullet. Now that this bullet is once again in production, key factors will be the choice of jacket material (needs to be thin for killing with this meplat design) and meplat area. A slight change in either can produce significant changes to killing performance. Of course, meplats can be trimmed and needle filed without much fuss as outlined in the current book (diameters discussed). Again, these are key factors that cannot be overlooked. You cannot 'wing it' and hope the bullets will kill (clean / fast). Those who wish to try the new pills are advised to use the Cartridges book to perform basic comparative hammer tests before doing anything else. Please pay very close attention to this. |
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@ 12:22 pm (GMT) |
john feyereisnRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectile |
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@ 08:21 am (GMT) |
john feyereisnRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileThank you for the reply Nathan. What are the copyright dates on the two cartrige books? |
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@ 09:07 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileFrom memory, the 1st ed was 2013.2nd ed was Jan 2017. There is plenty of info in the 2nd ed including tests and trim work. Any bullet design can change over time (Berger VLD for example) so the tests can and should be used in an ongoing manner. |
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@ 04:58 am (GMT) |
Jonathan KittermanRe: Matrix Ballistics listing 165gr .277 projectileJust bringing this back to life to see if anyone has experience with this 'new' run of bullets. Does it perform in the field like the original Nathan tested? |
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