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Adding weight to a Tikka stock
@ 01:07 am (GMT) |
Randy WikrisHiNew to the forum I just bought a T3x in .300 WSM. I choose this modle due to the single stack mag and my concerns with cross feeding, the price, and my personal experience with another Tikka. That said, when I pulled the .300 WSM out of the box, I was quickly intimidated by its light weight. So I’m considering two paths 1) add weight. I’ve successfully added about a pound of rockite to my x-bolt stock which knocked the recoil down nicely on my 7mm Mag. My concern is that it’s perminant and may affect the resale value if I ever sell the gun 2) install a bell and Carson medalist stock and add weig to that. The problem there is I don’t know if I cann drill that butt stock to add weigh and there are no foreshock channels to add weigh to to add balance. Does anyone have any experience with adding weigh to the Tikkas that may help I’m my decision? I want to get it up to 9 pounds. The weigh does not bother me at all. Thanks |
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@ 02:02 am (GMT) |
Paul LevermanRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockIs there anyway you can return it for a refund? It might be easier to take a financial loss than to throw good money after bad. And I am not knocking the T3. It doesn't sound like you are happy with the rifle, and you may end up spending some hard earned money chasing ghosts, hoping that you will end up with something you like. In my limited experience, if you don't like a rifle now, you never will. No matter what you do to it. I'm sure others here have better info. |
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@ 04:33 am (GMT) |
Randy WikrisRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockI’ll keep it. I knew what I was getting into when I bought this. Just don’t have it all worked out yet. Worst case I fill the tikka stock with Nathan’s stabilizer and rockite. Does not ruin the stock but is a permanent change. I have a Ben and Carson on my Tikka .223 and love it. But it won’t solve the weight issue alone.Thanks |
@ 08:15 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockHi Randy take the but pad off and get some dive weights and shove them in there, you may have to cut and trim to fit but i managed to fit just under 2lb in mine |
@ 08:38 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockHi Randy, welcome to the site.Firstly, to those who attended my recent lecture in Wellington, this is a classic case in point. To those who missed the lecture, my apologies for not having footage of this, the dates I was given for the lecture were wrong and after being woken up in our hotel room and asked 'where are you', I had to trundle down to the waiting crowd and get talking, no time for setting up film. So again, my apologies for this, luckily we arrived a day early. Regarding the .300. Here we have a rifle which is potentially capable of excellent accuracy but housed in a cost cut platform. The seller offers this to you as a weight saving- an ideal mountain rifle. The truth is, it is a cost cut rifle, the savings are all theirs, not yours. As Paul said, it can be hard to make peace with this. Adding weight to the stock will never really give you that feel good buzz because the weight should have been in the barrel. If it was in the barrel, the rifle could then handle multiple shots without overheating and also, if a brake was eventually required, the muzzle would have enough meat in it to allow it to be turned down without any risk of a swollen muzzle further down the track. You are on the right track by considering the B&C stock. This set up may require bedding but the stock is heavier and the grip (or potential for) is more effective while the forend has more surface area for shooting over a pack (to the tactical shooters- a pack is something you take hunting when you travel beyond a carpark, away from gongs). The current T3 stock is unfortunately sensitive to all changes in support, hardness and shape of ground under the bipod or hardness and shape of sand bags versus packs. The smallest amount of change leads to shifts in the POI of up to and over 1 MOA. For the casual shooter, expects shifts of 2 MOA. The B&C will help alleviate these issues when combined with traditional shooting technique. As for weight, I suggest you leave it be after adopting the B&C. Good technique is all that is required beyond this. If you leave the B&C unweighted, you can add a heavier barrel later, once this one wears out. A 30mm optic will also settle the rig nicely but it must have 3.8" eye relief. Do not for a moment think that an expensive optic is the way to go. In many instances, the higher the price, the worse the eye relief. To be sure, if you can set the rifle up with a good stock and a mid to heavier weight optic, it can make for quite a nice rig. In time, it is my hope that we will have a Kiwi made stock that will optimize the T3. But this is still is a little way off yet. All in good time. For now, go ahead with your B&C plans. Beyond this, I want you to completely let go of any focus on recoil. Re-focus your attention on setting the rifle up, checking the fit of the action into the stock, on developing your loads and on the hunting you intend to do. Felt recoil will be fine. There will be a level of recoil that has the potential to effect accuracy but this is different to felt (pain) recoil. Do not confuse the two. Just put it aside and move forwards. You are on the right track. Do however take note; If you chose to adopt modern shooting technique, this rifle will boot you into next week. It is for this reason that you will see current 'experts' shooting the likes of the Creedmoor, because the techniques they teach cannot be put to use with your rifle in any meaningful way. For more information on this, please see my Long Range Shooting book along with the Tikka video series (shopping pages). I hope that helps in some way. |
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@ 11:14 am (GMT) |
Randy WikrisRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockThanks for the detailed response Nathan. The B&C was actually part of my price planning from the get go. But the felt weight when I pulled it out of the box gave me pause. So the B&C is going to plan A. It also leaves the original stock undisturbed. Thanks.Interesting that you speak of recoil effect on accuracy vs. pain. I think I understand what you're getting at. I sometimes find myself getting 'jittery' in long strings of fire with even light rifles in anticipation of the shock of the shot breaking...not nesiisarrly the recoil. Thanks again |
@ 11:23 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockHi RandyYou could contact Ken Noye, he will make you a custom laminated stock to any shape & weight for under $400 Cheers Bob |
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@ 10:42 am (GMT) |
Randy WikrisRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockJust though I’d send a quick note on how my first few rounds went through the T3x. I was surprised on how light the felt recoil actually was. But they were light loads: 70 grains of IMR 4350 under a 125g Hornady. The recoil was somewhat similar to my much heavier (weighed down) 7mm mag with full power 150g partitions. The recoil is a little jumpier than the 7 mag as loaded but not actually as hard in that makes any sense. I was thinking that was possibly due to much shorter 24” short mag vs. the 26” long action 7 mag.I ended up with the B&C stock and a 4.5x14 Leupold. It weighs just under 7.5 pounds with a full mag. That scope will eventually move to my .223. Let’s see how it goes as I work up some full power 165g loads. These first few rounds were a pleasure to shoot an I think I was worried for nothing Thanks [b] |
@ 06:12 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockok I just have to share this.....got a very good mate who since I first met him has told tales of his 7mm mag and how he has shot loads of deer and elk with it back in the states etc etc dig a little deeper and he says it USED TO boot him into next week but a mate fixed that by "leading" it...... well he finnally got it here into Godzone and I got to have a good look at her... older savage with plastic stock (surprisingly rigid) soda straw thin barrel....stops tape measure at silly short length for this cartridge 23" I think it was...did I mention soda straw thin???? took thread protector off my .223 its a 1/2" x20 thread and the plurry thing will just fit over end of barrel STUPIDLY light..... anyway curiosity got better of me so took action out of stock 1st thing noticed was 2x black plastic bags with what feels like foam rubber in barrrel channel (how the heck this got into country past customs I dont know) lifted them out and nearly dropped rifle laughing.... leaded is right,there are sections of wheel weights cut to size of the cavities in the stock,some 3/4" long some 2" long but all cavities are filled.....wanted to take photo but was laughing too much for this. the recoil lug sits in big cavity but snuggly on rear face up against stock so guess this is why it shoots well........ the butplate came off and sure enough more lead had been inserted and then held in place with expandite foam LOL contimplating a redneck fix (how much worse can it get?) hot glue the lead in stock and just keep squirting it in and let settle..... yip stock stabalise kit would be ideal but stock good now...rifle just screams for a suppressor but with barrel that thin thread would have to be back from muzzle so allsorts of issues could pop up a real classic rifle of type you keep mentioning Nathan....silly dumb light... a nice solid stock and say 25-27" mid weight barrel and she be different beast altogether...as it is I arent in hurry to touch of any rounds anytime soon. |
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@ 09:20 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Adding weight to a Tikka stockGood to see its all coming together Randy.Thanks Mike for the interesting notes on the Savage. Yes, much could have been avoided during the design phase. But then I would not have had the pleasure of reading your notes, chuckling along with you. |
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