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Well, that didn't work

31 May 2018
@ 11:29 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

A late range report from last weekend. I finally got out to shoot and took the newly chambered 243Win and my beloved Mkll. The 243 went well, combining fireforming and potential nodes, as well as re-affirming maximums. The 338, however, was a different story. I was interested in finding out what could be done with the 285gr ELD-M. While velocities and accuracy were pretty well where I figured they should be, the recoil was a horse of a different colour. I didn't go into this thinking that I was immune to recoil, and though it doesn't bother me to shoot big ones, it turned out that this was not a bullet I would use to hunt with, at least not in the Ruger platform. Even at what I considered minimum loads, it was just unpleasant to shoot. The rifle was too light, even at 10.5#s, and the stock design was factory, so a big factor. I will still use the 285 in my other 338, just not the Ruger. I enjoy hunting and shooting too much to uselessly beat myself up for no apparent gain. I think I'll stick with the SST.

The good news, the 243Win performed flawlessly. The new Sightron is a wonder of modern technology. I even tried for the first time to use the dots to hold off under test shots in wind gusts. Amazing what you can do with the right tools. Obviously, more practice is needed, but with a new toy to play with, it's going to be more fun.

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01 Jun 2018
@ 02:51 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Well, that didn't work
Hi Paul...well it appears to me you might now have another fun project - a new stock for your Ruger might change your mind about it, and at the same time encourage you to implement Nathan's information on how to bed the rifle too.
01 Jun 2018
@ 11:20 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Well, that didn't work
Yes, Bryan, the new stock is already in the works. The present stock is already stabilized and bedded, and the rifle will outshoot me any day of the week. It is however, synthetic, and I would like to move to a laminate just to see what difference it would make. The 285s were more of a curiosity than anything. The numbers they presented at long ranges were intriguing, so I thought I would see what I could develop with them. Their only real purpose, for me anyway, was to use them in the Hunter class at the local LR match. It would be interesting to try them on moose, but really, when you only get to shoot one a year, research would take a lifetime to validate. When I use them in the purpose built rifle, it's no different than shooting any other rifle. Felt recoil is minimal and velocities and accuracy are well above anything I could possibly get out of the Ruger and the Win Mag case. The additional 400fps makes a big difference out long and even though the stock is a POS, it's design is sound and it shoots wonderfully. But this stock as well, has a limited time on this planet, as a laminate is being machined to fit it as well.
02 Jun 2018
@ 01:38 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Well, that didn't work
Sounds to me that you have things well underway.

A few years back there was a .375 for sale in a shop in Grande Prairie, Alberta. It was in a Boyds laminated stock, and used a custom action of some sort, and I noted that they made use of stainless pillars for front as well as tang action screws, and had epoxied the action area. I am sure the knox as well as the entire barrel was also bedded, and it had rather decorative reinforcing bolts front and rear. No indication as to its accuracy, but it had a Williams rear peep sight and a decent blade front sight, so I guessed it was either a bear protection gun someone put together, or someone had put it together for dangerous game in general.
02 Jun 2018
@ 11:59 am (GMT)

Ben Law

Re: Well, that didn't work
Hey Paul, just curious what velocities were you getting with the 285s in the WinMag?
02 Jun 2018
@ 11:18 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Well, that didn't work
Hi Ben. At the low end in the initial loads - 2207fps. One load under max. for my rifle was 2541fps. Not sure what you could expect from other rifles, but start at a safe low level and work up slowly. My experience was a non-linear increase in pressure, and if I had used a larger incremental increase in powder measurement, it is quite possible I would have had problems.

I was toying with building a .375, as a bear/moose rifle, had everything lined up and I was just about to push the start button when I came across the 45-70. The double barrels were just way to impressive to pass up. Very nice handling, quick to the shoulder, horrible triggers (but in the situation it was bought for, I don't think I'll notice), and deadly accurate at 50m.

How is it in the Fort this year? We've noticed a dramatic increase in bear population, or at least sightings, this spring. Haven't seen any mention in the local paper about the CO's having problems, so maybe the general public has gotten smarter. But in the real world, there has been quite a few contacts.
03 Jun 2018
@ 12:19 am (GMT)

Ben Law

Re: Well, that didn't work
Thanks Paul, I had a play around with the 285 amax a while back, I was getting 2300 odd for memory but had room to go higher, I need to go back and do a bit more testing, an accurate load over 2400 would be good, 2500 would be even better.
03 Jun 2018
@ 12:33 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Well, that didn't work
No problem, Ben. As I had said, I will continue to use the 285, but not as a hunting bullet. The hunting we have here is done at limited ranges of 0 - 300m on the average. Not really long range. The animals are not particularly hard to kill, quite easy actually, so the SST, Interlocks, Partitions etc. all find favour here. Anything from 2400 - 2500 should do you very well, lots of bang flop for sure. Keep us posted.
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