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Downsides to Threaded Muzzles
@ 08:28 am (GMT) |
Ryan NafeFellas,This is a question I’ve had for some time now and haven’t seemed to be able to find any solid answers to: Are there problems that can arise with a threaded muzzle, problems that otherwise wouldn’t be there, with a standard non-threaded one? The reason I ask is because threaded muzzles have become a very common feature on rifles over the last few years but I have absolutely no need or desire for them. I don’t want a muzzle brake and I don’t want a suppressor, I have no need or interest in either one. Muzzle brakes are very loud and can cause problems with carbon deposits, suppressors are expensive and can cause problems with carbon deposits, neither of them are something I’m interested in. Given that, are there problems associated with the threaded muzzles that are significant enough to be worth avoiding rifles with that feature? Thanks, Ryan |
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@ 08:39 am (GMT) |
Ryan NafeRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesOne last thing, this is honestly just a bit of venting and a check to see if anyone else has the same feeling going on:I’m getting pretty frustrated with manufacturers putting out otherwise fantastic rifles but putting brakes on them, even mid-weight rifles in very mild cartridges like 6.5 crapmore and .308. It’s a complete waste of time, materials, and the subsequent cost to the consumer. I mean really, under what conditions would anyone think it worthwhile to put an extremely loud spiral-ported brake on a heavy-barreled .308 that already has very mild recoil? What the hell is going on, and who’re the idiots buying a regular weight sporter in 6.5 crapmore with a muzzle brake on it? Bergara and Tikka are the two worst offenders in this regard, as far as I can tell. Bergara, for example, recently came out with several lines of rifles (wilderness series and some of their pro series rifles) which are quite decent designs, but they needlessly add expense, length, and noise by putting spiral-ported brakes on the rifles. The production cost could easily be down $100 without that mostly needless feature. |
@ 02:26 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesMy experience with one rifle with a 5/8” thread has been fine. I don’t remove it except to clean it. I don’t own a muzzle break but the rifle I really wanted just came with it.I really think it’s market driven unfortunately but I wouldn’t let it stop me from purchasing an otherwise great rifle because of it. You can find them without though if that’s your preference. I agree that they are largely unnecessary. I love my 338 Win. Mag. It’s muzzle brake free. I’m way older than Nathan but I can honestly say that when it comes to larger elk calibers Nathan taught me how to do it right. |
@ 12:22 am (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Downsides to Threaded Muzzlesit seems like most howa's come with threaded muzzles now days.no, im not a fan really. yes great if you want to screw something on there but i dont. a lot seem to have a small thread compared to the diameter of the barrel, i hear this can result in swelling at the muzzle and loss of accuracy over time. |
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@ 03:21 am (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesBen, I hadn't considered that notion. Sporter barrel, etc. could be a major issue. My only threaded barrel is on a Remington 700 5R which is a relatively thick barrel. Threading isn't going to do anything to that but I could see a concern if you were using it on a barrel that was already thin, and then you take out more metal at the very end. |
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@ 08:31 am (GMT) |
Ryan NafeRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesYeah guys, the thin steel at the muzzle is where I get concerned. If the bore is pretty small diameter (say 7mm or under) and the threads are relatively large, like 5/8-24, there’s probably still enough steel there to not create much of an issue.But in cases where the steel remaining at the muzzle is not particularly thick, I just wonder if that’s a potential problem. I can’t see it being a net benefit if you’re not gonna use it by putting on a brake or a can, but I’m not sure if that necessarily means it’s likely to cause issues either. Like just because it doesn’t help anything, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll hurt anything either. I just don’t know. |
@ 09:24 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Downsides to Threaded Muzzleswell for around $60 you could simply get rifle recrowned removing threaded bit...loosing why??? 10-15mm over all length..Im about to have bull barrel done with a 18-1 thread...which I assume is 18mm in diameter...so will have plenty heaps meat around a 5.5mm hole.AND leaving original crown alone. all my other rifles have std thread 20 tpi 1/2" I believe it is....never had an issue. |
@ 01:45 pm (GMT) |
David LandwehrRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesThe reduced dia at the muzzle it not so thin that it would cause swelling, even on sporter barrels. This is not a concern.I'm also of the belief they are not necessary but I do have a rifke with one because it came with it. With modern manufacturing a thread and cap are very cheap to add at the manufacturing stage but expensive to add later. For the few people who want it, its a cheap solution and I don't see it detracting from those who don't want it. |
@ 04:38 am (GMT) |
Ryan CameronRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesIt seems if muzzle devices are used 3/4 x 28 seems to be the minimum to maintain consistent bore diameter. I recently was wondering about the downsides of muzzle brakes as my new rifle came with Brownings HAWG brake. It does reduce recoil but the 26" barrel is so heavy, I'm not sure there was much recoil to begin with. It does look cool but I couldn't care less. I guess I'll find out in time if this will affect practical accuracy.https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/04/muzzle-threading-dont-remove-too-much-steel/ https://youtu.be/CUm_YXzJJOU |
@ 08:08 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Downsides to Threaded MuzzlesThose who have my books will know that I have been warning against narrow muzzle threading vs potential muzzle swelling since 2012. Many would not listen, nor would they take note of my warnings regarding ultra light barrels or ultra light fluted barrels. I even had a phone call from a suppressor manufacturer, complaining that I was off base. The NZDF also made contact with me, asking me to brief them on findings, though they at least took the subject somewhat more seriously than others.On top of threading, there are now rifles with ultra light barrels which (without threading) are much thinner than the 5/8x24 minor diameter (minor diameter is roughly .560") at the muzzle. I have one here, brand new, that I am guessing will last about as long as it takes to do load development and once done, will be in need of a new barrel. But hey, at least its easy to carry right? Quite right Ryan, a heavy barrel .300 does not need a brake. All the brake does is produce a blast which may cause a subconscious flinch, the negative cancelling the gain, again as I wrote in the book series. Thanks for the share Ryan, its nice to have some external vindication after being hit over the head with this for the last decade. |
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