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How to make the 30-06 obsolete
@ 11:16 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerHow to make the 30-06 obsoleteOK, now that I have your attention, I lied. The 30-06 will never be obsolete. HOWEVER, here’s my personal view on this subject. And yes, I’m openly admitting that you good folks who visit and post here all know a lot more about reloading, internal, external and terminal ballistics than I do. You do. That said…I believe I can make my argument valid. Like many of you, I am keenly aware of our host’s strong feelings about the 30-06 and by all means, rightfully so. Those arguments are not only sound but have been proven down thru the ages, time and time again. The all-time King of do-it-all cartridges? Possibly so. Then again, maybe not, depending on the rifles in your safe. I am blessed to own a few quality rifles with good optics. Over the last few years, I’ve attempted to cull my inventory, keeping only what’s really needed for the hunting I will do and hope to do. My .243 Win handles varmint chores admirably. My .270 Win and 30-06 handle everything up to and including Elk. The 35 Whelen is reserved for larger, heavier, possibly more dangerous game. IMHO, bases covered. Here’s my issue. Since I fall on the Jack O’Connor side of things, why do I need both the .270 and 30-06? Well…while the .270 will certainly dispatch Elk sized game with appropriate bullets and shot placement…the ’06 and its heavier bullets do in fact carry the advantages here. Proven statistically and in the field, countless times. That said, along with a few stand-alone advantages, my Whelen will handle big game just as efficiently as my ’06 out to a workable distance of say 400 +/- yards. With that in mind and given the proven effectiveness and advantages of the .270 Win, I see the ’06 spending more time in the safe. Now that I’ve straightened that out for everyone, consider keeping your .270 Win, selling your 30-06 and purchasing a Whelen. There ya’go. Cheers everyone. Danny [i] |
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@ 11:22 pm (GMT) |
Ed SybertRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteDanny:I already have a great .35 Whelen, built on a pre-'64 Winchester M70 action. I have two very nice 30-06s, one on a commercial FN Mauser "98" action. I don't own a .270. So, here's something to think about: I believe one of the popular 6.5 mm cartridges would cover the game that you would hunt with the .243 and .270. Add an accurate .22 rimfire, and you'd have a comprehensive 4-rifle battery. -Ed |
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@ 06:49 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteGreetings Ed.Thank you for the reply and correctly said. I did in fact look long and very hard at the 6.5 Creedmoor. Couldn't overcome my love for the .270 Win though... which could be called a Creedmoor Magnum. Same excellent trajectories, better terminal affects etc...all with moderate recoil. I agree with you 100% Ed but the .270 offers a few advantages over the 6.5's. The same can be said for the 6.5's like the PRC etc but then we get into the scarce loading availabilities. The .270 Win...for me anyway...just hits the sweet spot for so many of my middle ground game hunting goals. And FWIW...I won't be parting with my Vanguard, 24" 30-06 any time soon...which shoots well under MOA all day long. Thank you Nathan, for making sure I keep it. It is and always be "a comforting rifle." Cheers. Danny |
@ 02:46 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteInteresting post. I've wanted a 35 Whelen for a long time. |
@ 01:42 am (GMT) |
Joshua MayfieldRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteWell played, Daniel. Your subject heading elicited a similar reflex as if my son walked into the living room while my beloved Cardinals were in the process of sweeping the Yankees over the weekend and said "Hey Dad, there's a guy in the driveway slashing your tires." WHAT THE... All in good fun, I know. But like I said, well played, Sir.So all in good fun, here is my counter. If you operate from the framework of a four rifle battery, you can make an argument that a .30-06 is not needed. But it says a lot that you would have to actually make that argument in the first place with most riflemen. However, if you limit a person to one firearm with which to survive I would contend that your only options that you could argue for as being the best option are a .22, a shotgun, or a .30-06. In a scenario where factory ammo is to be relied on the .30-06 offers the widest variety. If handloading is in play you have the ability to put together everything from small game loads with Trail Boss or something similar, set up high velocity varmint loads, and go all the way up into the 220 and 230 grain weights. Alright, I'm going to crawl back into my den and pine for autumn weather. Stay safe, everyone. |
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@ 02:38 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteLane,Sadly lacking shooter attention - the Whelen does so many things well. A truly useful cartridge as well as being thoroughly enjoyable to own / reload / hunt / shoot. Reasonable recoil and admirable external and terminal ballistics. Joshua, Thanks for noticing that my post was not belittling the 30-06. Like yourself and many more - if I could only choose only 1 rifle - the '06 would have to get the nod. I think. :) Cheers. Danny |
@ 03:39 am (GMT) |
Fernando CundinRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteSuch is this subject - has my attention...A "complete" battery tuned and at ready disposal is a fine luxury. These days of hard luck shooting supply has me relying ever more on the 30-06 and the adaptable application spectrum. Although reload supply is tough like hens teeth, my experimentation with at home stocked supply has shown that 165 gr is a very good sweet spot for performance. The H SST 165 gr weight and bullet profile proves accurate and predictably good in cross winds to at least 300 meters without worrying too much. Heavy 200 grain partitions (precious few left) fly true and penetrate in testing paper media very well, up close and at 100 meter distance. Me thinks... The 30-06 is not the best cartridge option for everything, but the 30-06 is about the best choice for most hunting situations. Best |
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@ 05:42 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteFernando,Eloquent, and, IMHO, you are correct on the bullet gr sweet spot...not discounting the 200 gr Partition for more specialized uses. Nathan's treatise on the '06 very clearly and in great detail discusses its intricacies and many bullet advantages. We are indeed fortunate to have both he and this sterling cartridge. Cheers. Danny |
@ 05:28 pm (GMT) |
Jon ShortRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteSheez the post nearly got a rise from me... Yeah naaahh. Go the 06. ;-) |
@ 09:39 am (GMT) |
richard youngRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoletei 'spose the big question is where and what do you hunt ? where i live in southern queensland in oz my 7-08 t3 can be loaded from 120 to 150 and cover everything including reds and pigs . 150 accubonds work well on reds , bt's for anything smaller . super accurate with mild 2209 load . however my L61 30-06 is flatter shooting and carries more energy further out. definately knocks stuff down harder and the range of projectile weights is second to none .with a qaulity projectile i beleive the 30-06 will out penetrate just about anything . as a bigger caliber i've found the 9.3x62 with seated out projectiles for warmer loads to work well on buff and everything smaller with shot placement . 285's will pencil through boar if you don't take a shoulder shot . i don't beleive the 35 whelen would perform as well in this situation. mainly due to projectile choice . but that's what suits me . if i had to go minimal , 223, 30-06 and 9.3x62 would suit me . maybe the 7-08 with 120 vmax would be a reasonable varmiter for dogs, foxes, cats .cheers |
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@ 10:48 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: How to make the 30-06 obsoleteNicely said Richard.Jack & Eleanor would have agreed with you on the mild mannered 7-08 handling its chores effectively and punctually with no excuses. I recommended it to my student's wife for her size, experience and the game she hunts. She loves it. I appreciate you and everyone here taking my opening post with some latitude as no criticism of the 'O6 was intended or inferred. Just can't step away from all the Whelen's advantages tho. ;-) Cheers everyone. Danny |
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