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@ 11:25 pm (GMT) |
Ben LawAnyone had any experience on setting up a sambar rifle?Within a couple of years I will be attempting to do this, so I may aswell start thinking about the setup and keeping a lookout for well-priced components. Will be for a reasonable sized 12yr old boy. I'm thinking along the lines of downloading a 308 or 30-06 with ar2206h running 168gr eld m around 2200fps with experimentation. in a 20-22" sporter, howa, remington or tikka come to mind with an inch or 2 taken off the stock. |
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@ 08:29 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Youth Sambar Riflewell if suppressed is an issue I would suggest by all means have light loads for plinking and targets..but a closer to full noise load for the real deal.if he realises that the odd one or two full noise shots are ok and wont do him harm...as they wont in decent heavyish rifle especially if suppressed when animal is in sights,it wont even cross his mind.. lighter loads to practise,get to know rifle,shoot smaller game will build confidence. something like speer 130grn hp have been used for years for youth on lighter game.... Im loath to suggest it but maybe a lighter for calibre mono might be an option...and if not a mono because of the possible issues a stout cup n core might give good terminal results without high recoil..... be prepared to fire a backup shot immediately yourself if any doubt as to how well his shot has been. I didnt do so and will always regret it,still only wounded deer Ive lost. depending on range ..nah actually if your going to down load you will need to reduce range anyway. set realistic goals and it will fall into place,or the shot just wont be on. |
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@ 08:34 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Youth Sambar Riflewhat your suggesting is a .30/30 a 170grn at 2200fpsmaybe lighter and faster OR heavier and slower is going to give him more room for error or to put it another way,a better killing load,a heavyset 12year old describes myself to a T.... on game recoil has never been an issue... since suppressors came into widespread use that felt recoil,has been a non event . and cartridges that previously wouldnt even think about getting a youth to use are being used with great sucess |
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@ 09:25 pm (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Youth Sambar RifleThanks Mike.Suppressors aren't an option for us in Aus. |
@ 09:52 am (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Youth Sambar RifleI wouldn’t cut an inch off any stock unless it’s hardwood or laminate. |
@ 10:38 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Youth Sambar RifleHi Ben, I was hoping Marty would have a chance to answer this as he went about this in the same manner using the .308.It is a good approach and you can increase power as soon as your son is able to handle warmer loads. You can start at 2200fps, using the thin jacket in exactly the same manner as a .30-30 projectile design, the low speed aiding penetration. Once your son has built some confidence, try to get him into the 2400fps range. Marty always pushed for careful shot placement when hunting with his boys. He was therefore able to make use of soft projectiles, the boys aiming at the neck shoulder junction. Do not be in a rush about this. Depending on your son's disposition, you may want to wait and work toward a final goal (as opposed to the entitlement and instant gratification prevalent in todays society). All I would say here is - if you think it is a bit too soon, go with your instincts and make it a long term goal. Build him up, allow time to generate excitement etc. You could keep him on paper and or hunting lesser game until he is a bit older and ready for more challenging hunting and slightly more potent loads. These comments aside, the root of the question really is - can a .30-30 kill a large bodied deer? |
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@ 08:55 pm (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Youth Sambar RifleThanks Nathan.Be interesting to get Marty's thought's if he see's this. I've got time to work through it, should be an interesting journey. |
@ 11:03 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Youth Sambar RifleG’day Everyone,Yes l have been down this exact path as Nathan says and luckily it was a great success because I got some things wrong. My eldest son is now a crack shot and very confident in his abilities. This might get a bit long winded but will try to keep it reasonable. So firstly, keep the kids off the shooting bench with hunting rigs, train with 22’s and 223’s, working up as you go. We found even reduced loads to still hit too hard in deer rifles & I stopped it straight away. Its all about confidence, period! Big reactive targets with reduced power loads, make it easy and fun. Standing, kneeling & general field positioning, from the ready etc. Stronger loads are for animals were they will not be felt, given the confidence/technique that’s been built up. So the rig, it’s a compromise just like any other setup. Uber light weight is not anyone’s friend, just don’t do it! All compounded by small frames & inexperience, a bad mix. Our initial set up was a Tikka SS syn 308w & unfortunately the Idiot in the LGS ordered it fluted. Ridiculous Idea of removing weight from an already borderline barrel profile, just plain stupid. I used Nathans stabiliser & bedding kits to add weight. Stay away from really soft recoil pads they allow too much uncontrollable movement. Good eye relief optic with an easy eye box, keeping magnification low. The 308w is a great all rounder and just cannot be beaten in this role. It just can’t, it can grow with ability. Projectile choice l kept simple, Hornady 150gn Interlock for everything. 2206H reduced training, mild power hunting & later full power with many Sambar falling to those 2 combinations in all sorts of situations. All sub MOA feed through the magazine. A few years later he switched to my Howa 1500 30-06 bedded into a Boyd’s classic, same optic. Initially starting with the same 150gn Interlock, commenting that the harder knockdown was noticeable though the result was still the same. This combo would have been too heavy for starting hunting Sambar in our high country but he worked up to it. This rifle is still his favorite go to rig, even with its heavier carry weight (shock horror! hahahaaa). |
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@ 07:59 pm (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Youth Sambar RifleGreat info Marty, long winded is fine by me.Obviously, a fair weight difference between the fluted tikka and the howa, is the the howa a 22" sporter? |
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@ 10:01 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Youth Sambar RifleYes mate std sporter which is a great barrel profile. Could be a cheaper option in 308 with the std Hogue stock to lower weight a little.T3's are just a nice simple gun to operate and clear for a new shooter. I fit the varmint front grip to every Tikka l set up as it helps with fore end control. I was surprised by what a handful the T3 308w was at the time, they are very light but there's the compromise. Always accurate with .5 moa being easily achievable, just takes sound technique to fully master them. Adding weight is an easy option. An adult friend new to hunting shot our rigs, high & low power loads including a BDL 270w which kicks every bit as hard as any of the others (one of the early light weight fad). He opted for a 30-06 T3 hunter which I'm not a fan of and tried to stir him away from. Damn that thing beats him up, painful over the bench compared to our Howa. |
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@ 04:42 pm (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Youth Sambar RifleGlad to know adult length of pull isn’t an issue for a young shooter. |
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@ 09:47 pm (GMT) |
Ben LawRe: Youth Sambar RifleUpdate.I've picked up a ruger american compact in 308. 18" barrel, 12.5" length of pull from factory. it's light, and very handy with the shorter length. a bushnell elite4x 2.5-10x40 scope will go on top, specs state 4.3" of eye relief. will be playing around with the 150sst and 168eld m. |
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