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Best bench bags

29 Aug 2024
@ 01:38 pm (GMT)

Scott Struif

I’m aware that Nathan doesn’t appreciate owners of his books divulging information contained in them, when doing so might cause him to lose sales. I don’t think anything I say here would fall into that category. Much of what he has to say about shooting technique is contained in his free article, “Hold that Forend!”.

Nathan advocates the use of sandbags for bench rest shooting, which can be easily made by filling cut-off sections of old trouser legs with sand. He suggests using a stock with a beefy, flat-bottom forend. This provides a flat surface to rest on the bag, and also gives the shooter a wide, solid place to firmly grip the stock. He further suggests that the forward fingers of the hand rest on the bag, just behind where the stock rests. A further point he makes, which I think may be lost on most readers, is that a sling is essential for optimum stability.

His theory of good shooting technique only makes sense to those of us who understand two things:
1) the rifle wants to move as soon as the shooter begins to pull the trigger, and
2) recoil begins when the firing pin strikes the primer.

He discusses other factors, such as proper cheek weld, buttstock placement on the shoulder, angle of the body relative to line-of-sight, etc. But the main point is stability of the rifle.

He discusses the use of bipods, too. I don’t think he means to advocate their use on a bench. I think he’s talking about their use in the field, where the legs can be resting on a softer surface than the hard surface of a bench. In that case, he has an alternative technique: place the forehand on top of the scope and exert downward pressure on it through the shot. I’ve never tried it. I would never use a bipod where I hunt. However, the technique makes sense. It seems like it would be easier to master than the bench rest technique he advocates.

The only purpose of a bench is to sight-in and test a rifle and ammunition. It’s useless for practicing for hunting, unless you hunt from a bench somewhere you expect game to wander by. It seems to me that the best bench rest technique should be the one requiring the least amount of thought, practice, or skill . . . the one least prone to error, yet still effective.

I haven’t tried it, but it occurred to me that Nathan’s bipod technique could be applied on a bench with sandbags. Make a pile of trouser-leg sandbags aligned with the line of sight. Lay the forend on the pile, and hold the rifle down with your forehand on top of the scope.

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31 Aug 2024
@ 07:31 am (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: Best bench bags
I ran across a video today showing how they’re teaching PSR shooting in the US these days. According to the instructor, the techniques are directly applicable to hunting. They don’t mention the weights of the guns, or the cartridges, except for one 308. They’re all chassis stocks, and sport muzzle brakes. I suppose they’re fairly heavy, particularly with a bipod attached. They don’t look like much fun to carry around all day.

There’s much discussion of how downward pressure of the cheek weld can throw off a shot, as well as lateral pressure from the thumb of the trigger-hand. But there’s no discussion of muzzle movement caused by recoil. The instructor is completely oblivious to any movement of the gun under recoil, except movement induced by the shooter exerting pressure somewhere on the back end of the stock. How is that possible?

The instructor recommends for the body to be aligned square behind the rifle. There’s no discussion of placement of the recoil pad on the shoulder. He seems to be advocating placing the butt of the stock on the collar bone.

They’re going to publish a follow-up video showing how to shoot off a tripod. I doubt any of these guys carries those rifles and tripods into the field. The only “hunting” they’ll be doing is road hunting. They’ll film themselves driving around looking for pronghorn, setting their tripods and heavy rifles up close to the road for a shot. I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve done it before. I shot a nice buck at 450 yards using the roll bar of a Jeep as a rest. But I wouldn’t call it “hunting.” I’ve also walked a mile, snuck up on a water hole, and bagged one at 100 yards from a prone position. That’s hunting, which to me involves at least a modicum of stalking prowess.

https://youtu.be/fxkcLlRSU-0?si=sQZeJ_EBn42TrbIq
03 Sep 2024
@ 10:33 am (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: Best bench bags
Looking into PRS a little further, I don’t see any direct benefit of the sport to hunting. It appears to be similar to being a member of a Harley riders’ club, a golfer at the country club, or a road hunter . . . an excuse to don some getup for the weekend and ride around. I suppose your “kit” and attire are an important for any avocation, but shooting a braked, 10 lb. 6mm CM chassis rifle off a bag, or bipod, is unlikely to have much crossover benefit to a hunter.

https://youtu.be/6z3_hN9RFPU?si=GcpYKsGHcJbv6kaO
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