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Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)
@ 08:55 pm (GMT) |
Alvaro Piqueras Alonso-LambertiHi Nathan;A friend of mine is thinking about get into mid range hunting (400-450 m at a push), and ask me to get some advice. After talking about it, and taking his budget into consideration, the rem 700 SPS (30.06) could be a good option. As you stated in your book, there are big chances (50%) of a dud barrel. So maybe get a second handed rifle could be a good idea, because you can test it before buying. Many hunters here just shot under 40 rounds per year, so you can buy a rife with a few shots trough his barrel. The question is... is there some kind of test to do with the factory rifle to determine if the barrel is OK? You can get open groups due to poor bedding, load, scope mounting, creep trigger,... Maybe factory rounds are better in this regard. What about pressure bedding prior to test the rifle? I have seen a rem 700 bdl in very good condition, and also two or three SPS (you can´t stabilize the stock to test the rifle prior to buy it!) Well, just wondering if there are tricks to test the accuracy potential in a single trip to the range... Thanks! |
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@ 11:42 pm (GMT) |
John ReidRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)First thing to do is check the interior of the barrel with a borescope: you can check for corrosion, butchered by rough cleaning, off-centre chamber, rough manufacture. I bought a new Sako 6mmppc quite some years ago and could no figure out why it would not shoot under 3/4" at 100yds. When I got a bore scope, years later, I saw the rust inside the barrel. So, new barrels can have a question mark as well. Good gun shots have a borescope so that you can check for yourself. |
@ 03:56 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)Hi Alvaro, I have put test procedures in the next book. I am hoping that we are only 1-2 weeks away from release.As you say, you cannot stabilize during such trials. You can however keep the barrel relatively cool between shots so that the pressure point bedding does not cause vertical dispersion. If you can afford it and don't mind waiting, I will have a full set of test / trial procedures in the book. |
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@ 10:23 pm (GMT) |
Alvaro Piqueras Alonso-LambertiRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)John, I can´t get a borescope. I think that 95% of hunters here in Spain didn´t know that this piece of tool exists. (90% didn´t know that barrels worn out). So, this is not a test that I can check.Nathan, that´s not only a good answer... that´s the BEST answer that you could gave. Nathan´s book in the oven: good news! (I still waiting for you reloading book... hurry up!) Just another short questions... As this is not exactly covered on your book: He can get (more or less the same money) a remington 700 BDL used or a 700 ADL brand new. The ADL seem to be the previous model to the SPS. You did´n coment about the ADL in your book. I think it should be the same as the SPS, but maybe different chances of get a rough barrel. What will you choose? I have suggested 3006 or 7 rem mag (shoots under 550yd, bullets 168/178 .30 amax or 162 .284 amax, body weights usually under 90kg): ADL has 22" on 3006, 24" on 7 rem mag... BDL 24" and 26". Recoil seem to be tolerable, but what´s a better choice? Thanks! |
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@ 04:36 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)Hi Alvaro. The earlier ADL rifles had plastic trigger guards. When the rear action screw was tightened, the trigger guard hole simply crushed and splayed so you could never get the tension correct- even with a pillar fitted to the rear, the plastic trigger guard was still spongy. It felt as though you could simply wind the screw clean through the guard which I later saw- the guard completely split in two on one client rifle.The fix was an aftermarket ali trigger guard. I think all of the ADL rifles now come with this guard. But the main weakness is still the blind magazine (no magazine floor plate). It is not my favourite design and I prefer the BDL. If a hunter is on a severely limited budget, the ADL can be put to use. Later, when the hunter can afford to, he can change the stock and obtain new bottom metal, bringing the rifle up to BDL specs (or whatever specs he prefers). But of course- this is much easier for U.S hunters (and NZ hunters) who have access to readily available aftermarket parts. If you are contemplating the .30-06 cartridge, you can add the Tikka T3 rifle to the mix with the BDL rifles. The magazine length is about perfect. The laminate stock model can help tame recoil a touch as can large and heavy optics. As I have written in both of my last books, I prefer the M700 for long action magnums. |
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@ 08:56 pm (GMT) |
Alvaro Piqueras Alonso-LambertiRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)Thanks Nathan!I have discarded the tikka because of the difficulty to bed. I prefer to put one can of matchgrade compound on a 700 action, rather than playing with floating recoil lugs... What are the cons of the blind floorplate? I think I should keep away of those rem 700 with detachable magazines, but didn´t see cons on the others... |
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@ 10:10 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)There are three types of remington:Detachable magazine Box magazine with floor plate Box magazine with no floor plate at all- just the trigger bow. The ADL is this last design. |
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@ 08:04 pm (GMT) |
Alvaro Piqueras Alonso-LambertiRe: Testing a 2nd hand rifle (rem 700)Will focus on the box-magazine with floorplate.The magazine length is the same in all three designs? Thanks! |
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