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For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?
@ 11:17 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardWhich is the best way to mount a scope on a Tikka T3Weaver type rail or Burris XTB Bases that only has 4 screws to hold base on then rings on top of the base or bases ? Lightweight Talley with ring and base being integral 2 piece? DNZ one piece ,rings and bases integral? Factory type that clamp on to rifles dovetail? I say factory type as the actual Factory rings that come with the rifle in the US are bad about the recoil arrestor pin breaking through the back of the ring. So I am basically talking about the Warne Maxima made for the Tikka T3,Optilocs,Sportsmatch etc. Which type of Mounting system is the strongest,and better assures best scope alignment ,withstands recoil etc. I can see pros and cons for all the systems theoretically A chain is only as strong as its weakest link ! For the bases that use the holes on top of the reciever there is only 4 small screws holding the Base or bases on and then the rings. I wonder how much shear strength that provides against recoil? For the Lightweight Talleys 2 Piece how to be sure the units are lined up correctly as they have to be tightened down Before scope is Mounted. Also how does one check the tightness of bases to rifle without removing scope which then will require re sight in of scope. For the DNZ one piece with integral if the scope screw holes on receiver are not in perfect alignment it seems as though the scope mount would be stressed. For the type that attaches directly to the rifles dovetail although there is the slight possibility of Misalignment there would SEEM to be less possibility than relying on the drilled holes . The retaining pin on the front ring can pull through the ring (on the cheesy metal the factory rings use )but I don't know if that is an issue with the other rings that use better metal(Optiloks,Sportsmatch,Warne Maximas) and others of the same design that I don't know of. I need some input and experience here for a recommendation. Preferably from someone who has used all of them. Thanks Craig |
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@ 11:44 pm (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?hi craig i went with a egw 20 moa rail with burris signature rings set up as per nathan's instructions in his book
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@ 02:59 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?Hi Craig,I have used some of the options you are looking into including the great system that Thomas has shown. First questions you need to work out are, do you need a canted option and what height do you want the scope to end up? My sons 308W super light fluted wears the alloy factory rings that you mention and has held perfect zero for over 2 years. Nice and low with perfect alignment with a 40mm scope and this rifle gets used a lot. So they will work on the medium Cal's if fitted right. I also use genuine Sako optilocks with the self-aligning floating centre (same as Burris in pic above) and these are excellent, can be very low mounting, simple and my favourite system but on the expensive side. If you need canting for range work a EGW base and Burris rings are the go, plus you get a bit of extra stiffness. The Burris Zee rings can be used with the canted inserts, so two piece bases still have the canting option as long as your scope bell clears the barrel. After Nathan’s recommendation I now fit these style rings to all my rifles and wouldn't use or recommend anything else. Don't get to worried about the small screws in the bases they work very well. I fitted a one piece DNZ mount to the Howa l just finished for a friend under protest and it had to be lapped or else it would have scared the scope. It would have worked but the self-aligning system is leaps and bounds in front. Hope that all reads ok, basically go for a Sako/Burris style system mounted to suit your needs is my take on things. |
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@ 07:02 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?Thanks for the pic ThomasMartin I am using a Superlite 270 Winchester wearing the factory rings . I am keeping a close eye on them for the bulging of the recoil pin and I swear I can see SOMETHING in the area that the pin would come out of the back of the ring but it hasn't started coming out YET ! I fit the rings to the rifle with the rings orientated so that the screws that tighten the rings to the rifle are on the ejection port side of my right handed rifle. I pushed the rings forward as much as possible and held them forward while applying 25 inch pounds of torque to attach them to the rifle. Are these the type of rings you use ? http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/tikka-optilock-scope-mount-kit-1-low-black/s1320900/ Do you think this system is sturdier than the screw on bases? How heavy are the optilocks? Height of them ? I don't plan on shooting over say 400 yards max with the rifle and scope(Leupold VX1 3-9x40)so have no need for a canted base. I am looking for at least as low as the Factory rings (about .480)and the Burris Signature 1 Inch rings are about .270(I have a set of them I just measured)Then when I add .294 (Burris XTB 2 Piece bases for Tikka,I called Burris for the specs)I come up with .564 which is a little higher than I would like for best cheek weld.(I could always put a little foam under a strap on cheekpiece to raise the comb ) The Burris XTB Bases are 2 piece and weigh about 2 ounces with the Rings about 2 ounces per ring. I do like the Burris Signature Zees but they are Just High and heavy. I had some concern that the rings weight and Height would increase the inertia of the scope and make it more likely to shear the little screws that hold the bases to the rifle,as i know that the scope wants to stay in one place while the rifle recoils backward. I have even thought about using Weaver Rings(the original quick detachable)Lows (.089 high)(2.5 ounces per pair) and Burris XTB Bases (.294 high) for a total height of .383 but Weaver rings are difficult to tighten down without the scope rotating and this combo Might be too low,it would be cutting it close ! Craig |
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@ 09:40 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?Here is a link to the Optilock rings Craig to get your heights etc. mine are the stainless 30mm tube jobs, see the pic in my old Tikka bedding post. l guess they are heavy but l don't worry about weight with the Tikkas, l generally add it. I think l used the extra lows but would need to check if l still have the packaging at home. They have been robust and would buy them again without hesitation. I don’t know which is sturdier as neither system has failed but l would lean towards the Optilock design. They were over $200 AUS so not cheap. I also like my scopes low but that’s a personal fit thing l suppose. One of my pet hates is a high mounted scope, don't get why people set them up that way if there is no need. Hope this helps you a bit! http://www.sako.fi/sites/default/files/Optilockring.pdf |
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@ 09:50 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?Craig l just noticed l called the Burris rings "zee" which is incorrect, I use Signature rings on my other rifles, like what Thomas has shown you above, sorry for the confusion mate. |
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@ 10:44 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?MartinThanks for the link The rings that Thomas shows are the Burris Signature Zee rings. The Burris Signature Rings Use a turn in dovetail that turns into Bases The Burris Signature Zees attach to a Weaver type rail like Thomas shows in his Pic. http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings |
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@ 11:01 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?MartinI have provided a couple of links for you seeing as how you like Low Mounts. http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/ http://warnescopemounts.com/product/tikka-rings/ The Warne Mounts are just a teeny bit lower than the Factory rings but are steel (you said you like weight) Only thing is they are Vertical split rings. I have never used Vertical split rings so dont know if they are to be recommended. |
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@ 12:12 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?I stay away from and will never use Warne Maxima split rings or any other similar style as this is where l began and marked my Weaver scopes very badly when I used them on a Howa and Marlin.These solid ring style mounting follow any run outs in the base/s, transferring this into the scope tube, hence the better option with the Burris/Sako style rings. I know the Tikka has the neat machining on top and in the dove tail but l still wouldn't use rings without the Pos-Align Inserts to stop any pre-loading of the scope. |
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@ 01:13 am (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: For Tikka T3 owners,Tikka T3 mounting systems,which is the best ?MartinThanks for the heads up on the Warne Vertically split rings I suppose they could be lapped but it would definitely be more difficult than Lapping horizontal split rings. I Really like the Posi-Align inserts too,they are a great design, but have successfully mounted many scopes throughout the years without them. |
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