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Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bullet
@ 05:30 am (GMT) |
David GausepohlTipped GameKing long-range hunting bullet. High weight retention does not sound like a good feature on a long-range hunting bullet, even if it expands fast. The already developed TMK is better for that is it not? |
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@ 06:08 pm (GMT) |
Luke LahdenrantaRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletHere is a thread from another forum with some further info on these new bullets. You have to sort the wheat from the chaff but towards the end if the thread there are some pictures of the bullets sectioned and compared to the ELD X . It appears that these bullets will follow the TMK vs ELD M in that they have a slightly thicker jacket and slightly larger and deeper hollow point and plastic tip than the ELD X.FWIW https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/sierra-gamechanger-bullets.205659/ |
@ 09:49 pm (GMT) |
IainRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletA couple of points occur to me that have not perhaps been mentioned yet.1/ The BC (if correct) of the 165/308 is significantly higher than the measured BC of the likes of the 165 Ballistic Tip and Accubond. This should give it an extra 50 to 100 yds before it drops below 2000fps. This should be helpful at ranges out to maybe 400/450yds in the likes of the 308 and the 30.06. 2/ The form is very similar to the 168/30 TMK although the Gamechanger will probably be a little longer than the TMK. This could mean a very good chance that loads with each could have near identical MPIs. Perfect for double loading - Gamechanger on top when walking/stalking in, and TMK below. I think I will try to get some, if they ever arrive in Aus. The gold plating that now seems to be applied to Sierra bullets between the US and Aus may make them a bit pricey, but still worth trying, I think. |
@ 12:56 am (GMT) |
Alvaro PiquerasRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletHi there!Any news on this particular bullet? I would like to try them in a 264 WM for close shots on driven hunts (reds, boars) up to 300 meters or so... not dialing long range shots, just "point blank" rifle. For this use, I like them to be though for the close shots, and have a good trajectory for some few aditional meters "point blank". It will be very important to have good penetration on close shots on boars, as they are shot on the run with not perfect shot placements allways... Two holes drain better and faster that a single entry hole :) Any ideas? |
@ 11:36 pm (GMT) |
Magnus VassbotnRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletHi Alvaro.First, I haven't read the whole thread here, so maybe I'm just saying things that have already been mentioned here, and maybe I've missed some points about the stoutness of the TGK vs similar bullets. This reply is just my take on your question of bullet selection for your criteria. I haven't tried the TGK (or TMK), but I have shot a lot of various medium game with similar bullets (eld-x, a-max, interlock etc), and would not choose any of those for good penetration at close range from a high velocity small caliber rifle at tough game from all angles. One example with the eld-x, was a red deer yearling I had to give a follow up from behind at around 220 meters with a 6,5x55. The bullet struck square in the finest part of the rump, smashing the bone and the whole rear leg, anchoring the animal for a killing shot. But even at a moderate impact velocity of 2400 fps, the bullet failed to penetrate further than just through the thigh (lots of muscle and bone/ resistance). My buddies and I have done similar stuff with the Accubond 140 and Partition 140, and they generally reach vitals with such shots. In the case of the 264 win mag and your criteria, it really screams Partition 140 or Barnes TTSX 120. Both will have a pbr of just under 300 meters with a max 3 inch high/ low, and the Barnes will still have good killing effect at just about that range (Partition way further than that). I haven't tried the Partition at the close range impact velocities you will get, so others can say more there (or check the 264 win mag article). I have however shot quite a bit of game with high velocity light weight monos (3200-3400 at the muzzle), doing 0-300 meters pbr hunting, just like your criteria, and that has generally worked well. Close range penetration is flawless, and max range wounding is still good. In my experience, this is the one field where monos really shine - pbr hunting with high velocity loads. As for bc (TGK vs Partition/ TTSX), a few points in bc up or down is not really noticeable with regards to trajectory or wind drift inside 300 meters anyway. The only practical difference will be in impact velocity, but as long as the above mentioned bullets have enough for 300 meters, it is better to put emphasis at the close range/ all angles performance. At least I would, considering it is for driven hunts. Good luck and merry christmas. |
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@ 01:28 pm (GMT) |
Alvaro PiquerasRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletHi MagnusMery Xmas! You madero very good points in deed. But I should hace mention that I want to avoid "monos" for the ricochet risks... there are many dogs involved i this type of hunting (as well as dog drivers) so this is a risk I would not take... BTW, the TGK seems to be much stout than the eldx Cheers!! |
@ 11:47 am (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletI don’t see a safety advantage for the dog-driver of any bullet over a mono. |
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@ 11:47 am (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletI don’t see a safety advantage for the dog-driver of any bullet over a mono. |
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@ 01:51 pm (GMT) |
Magnus VassbotnRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletAhh, yes. Ricochets are much more frequent with monos than cup and core bullets. Something I have experienced several times myself (on rocky, dry ground). But as Scott implies, safe background should be safe regardless of bullet choice. A low velocity lead bullet will ricochet just as much as a high velocity copper.Regardless, If you or your assosiates are uncomfortable with monos, I believe the Partition 140 or the Accubond 140 is a good choice (or Woodleigh PP160). Alternatively Interbond or Scirocco, but those are both 130 (like the TGK), so maybe marginal penetration from the worst angles (texas heart shot), with 264 impact velocities. I've now read the thread, and more about the TGK. I see it is supposedly more towards stout than the ELD-X, and I'm sure it will anchor game from bad angles. But I am also quite confident it's not a great penetrator at 264 impact velocities, especially considering it's a 130 grain bullet. I remember one incident with mature warthog boar, that a friend of mine shot. It was hit in the arse with a soft 225 grain bullet from a 338 win mag. It regained itself, and kept going for an hour or so, with one rear leg completely smashed. Nasty business, but in the end it was killed. I am sure the TGK will put the breaks on any animal from a bad angle, for a while. But with the 264 (and potentially poor penetration) I would be ready for a very quick follow up. But the only way to really know is to try it out, so if you can't get hold of any of the others, just give it a go. Cheers |
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@ 07:19 am (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Sierra's new TGK (tipped GameKing) LR bulletI stand corrected. I hadn’t thought about ricochets off the ground. The only ricochet accident I’ve heard about happened when a 12 gauge slug ricocheted off a tree. I don’t know the details. Either the shooter shouldn’t have attempted the shot, or the deceased was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I agree with Magnus. If tail-on shots are likely, go with a mono or at least a stout bonded. There’s nothing else that assures penetration from that angle. |
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