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@ 01:41 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandI hope all my fellow nzers are safe and sound after that big shake up.We are in the Marlborough sounds and it shook us up pretty good. Due to our house being 1metre above sea level and 20metres from the high tide mark I'm sitting in the vehicle with my wife and daughter up the top of the hill enjoying the midnight view! Good thing a remembered my msr windburner and Nathan's reloading book, time to brew a coffee and kick back |
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@ 05:52 pm (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: NZ quakesHope everyone is OK I know there's decent amount of forum members from the south island.Good thinking seb. It woke both me and my wife up last night here in Auckland and makes you think about having a bag ready to go with the basics |
@ 07:21 pm (GMT) |
Ben GradyRe: NZ quakesWow, that scared the shit out of me and my family. That was huge and just kept shaking. My brother is o.k in Kaikoura and Blenheim has been well shook up where I live. But power is back on so all good. |
@ 07:41 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesHi guys, we live way up high on a ridge which seemed to add to the shake. No time to grab anything, simply had to gather up Riley and get outside, hands against the walls while trying to get out as the house was like a ship in rough sea, was hard to stay balanced. Got outside and the car was bouncing up and down. Waited it out in the yard, then eventually back to bed. Aftershocks all night.We have power in one section of the house, rest of the house is dead, no phone or water pump. Its the same up and down the road. Hard to believe we got knocked around so much yet we were so far away from the epicentre. Must have been very hard on folk down south. It really felt like the whole country was talking a walk, just up and moved. Well, I better go try and sort some water. |
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@ 07:49 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: NZ quakesthe main one was 7.5 near hanmer 15km deep. |
@ 08:29 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: NZ quakesHope all of you New Zealand residents are OK. We'll say a few prayers for you. |
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@ 07:01 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesDay 2, still no power, phone, water pump. Can see the power poles which were shaken out of whack. Again, odd that it hit us so hard when we are so far away but I think the high ridge system was a key factor. I really thought the mountain had popped its cherry, that we were close to the epicentre.Quite incredible really. The aftershocks remained strong, every few minutes all night and all day. Like working at sea. Checked Geonet and could see data refreshing every couple of minutes. Must be so much worse down south. Storm hit during the night, but fortunately lighter than predicted. Bug out kit re-organized and packed down yesterday, bugger all else we could do but wait it out. Hoping we get power back on later today. Tried to contact friends in Kaikoura but communications dead as to be expected. Edit; Friend has just mailed me on his phone as I typed this- House survived, have generator running, happy enough for now. Not much else to report. Will dispatch customer orders as per usual. The books are printed in the U.S, UK, France and AU, then dispatched to whatever country. Kits go direct from here to Auckland then overseas so no issues there either. Am well behind in emails. Will unfortunately have to delete some until we can regain power and no longer have to conserve batteries. |
@ 08:02 pm (GMT) |
Andrew MurrayRe: NZ quakesI noticed the site went down for a while yesterday (14th). Do you know where your server is located?I thought you were on the North Island, Nathan? And the quake hit the South? I've never experience any seismic activity but apparently there have been tremors around our area occurring on a regular basis (very small around 1 or less of the Richter scale). I think these could be attributed to mining and old mine shafts collapsing rather than significant geo-movements. I hope everyone is ok and no more quakes happen or aftershocks. Must be bloody scary when it happens. |
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@ 08:36 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesOur Server is U.S based due to predominant U.S usage / loading.Yes, we are in the north, should have had no effect. But we are at a very high point on a ridge so this could be why. Like I say, I thought the mountain had blown, the power died straight away. the car was jumping up and down, trees shaking, dogs barking, cows bellowing. We went hand over hand down the hall to get out of the house so as not to fall over. Expected to be more stable on open ground but this made no difference, were still doing the funky chicken with jazz hands for some time. |
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@ 09:18 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesThe kicker is, hunters tend to fair better at such times. I am not even talking about fairing well in the literal sense, but in a mental conceptual or emotional sense. Kaikoura is land locked. The concept is not so stressful if you have a rifle, some basic kit and can feed yourself. A real bummer if you are a vegan and your lifestyle depends on fancy ingredients imported from around the planet. Folk down south are quite used to living off the land and sea.One can imagine what the army would say if some idiot asked for a vegan air drop. Fat, protein, water, dry, warmth. U.S gun owners talk about the right to defend, but I think if we look even deeper into this, the right to feed ourselves is a core driving force. This is vastly overlooked now, as though food will always come in plastic packaging, that out of season protein will always be readily available and that humans will never have to fend for themselves. Being completely reliant on a city system is accceptable while fending for ones self is seen by some as being unacceptable. It is a complete denial of self, rejection of the human animal and his place, his right to belong in this world. It casts whole cultures aside as being primitive and un-evolved. I remember watching Ray Mears up in Siberia with a remote tribe. It was so cold and so isolated (nothing new to anyone in a cold climate or those who have hunted wide and far). He laid out a small caribou steak, then beside this, a pile of lichen, say enough to fill a couple of buckets. He then went on to state that each contained the daily protein needs for a human. The point being that it was impossible to eat that much lichen each day. Basically eat steak or die. |
@ 09:32 pm (GMT) |
Paul LevermanRe: NZ quakesNot exactly sure where everybody is, or how far away from the epicentre, but for general knowledge there are three types of waves associated with an earthquake. "P Wave" or pressure wave is the first wave that hits the seismograph as it has the highest velocity through the earth. "S Wave", secondary wave, only travels through solids and are usually the up and down motion you feel. "L Wave" are surface waves that move side to side, and will circle the globe and return to the origin. I'm working on failing memory here,but I think this is right. |
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@ 09:41 pm (GMT) |
Paul LevermanRe: NZ quakesFurther to your statement, Nathan, is the scenario that we are usually ready to respond. We have what we need already, can get what we need, and keep what we have. I don't know too many hunters that can't build a shelter, build a fire or find fresh water. The "Big Three". If it's a grab and go scenario, we pretty well have it in one spot on the way to the door. The idea of having someone else come in and supply the basics is just such a foreign concept, too bad it's the majority of people.Ray was one smart cookie. He didn't go for the bullshit reality show. And the country he went through was amazing. |
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@ 02:01 am (GMT) |
Andrew MurrayRe: NZ quakesI'm hearing you there Nathan, I don't think we were ever designed to be what we have become (as Westerners). Decadent and indulgent beyond wastefulness.When we people ask why I want to shoot. I tell them, it's because I want to hunt and to eat the animals I shoot. I want to participate in a lifestyle that goes beyond what most people give thought to. Natural Disasters are perfect examples of this. It's the reason I make my own bread, and when I do the shopping, it's at the local grocer that only carries in-season (and locally grown organic stuff where possible) fruits and veges. It's a bit hippy, if you will, but it's more real too. I'd be much more inclined to eat a deer/pig/roo/goat/rabbit/duck that I've shot myself, butchered myself and prepared myself than something I'd buy at a supermarket. |
@ 05:45 am (GMT) |
Cor NepgenRe: NZ quakesGlad to hear everyone is OK. Heard about the quake on the news and thought of you guys.Nathan you are definitely right, I think today modern life has made lifestyles possible that just plainly would have led to starvation a couple of years ago. I was getting a coffee last week and while waiting started browsing the menu.. Low and behold I spot a "lactose free milk" option! I started laughing and ask the lady behind the counter what this is because it does not even remotely makes sense. She kind of laugh smiled and just said it comes in a box but couldn't explain what is was. I tend to think the more natural you eat with as little as possible processing in between the better. I also think people are becoming more and more removed from understanding where food comes from. Meat and especially chicken can become so processed that its hard to understand where in the animal the meat comes from. I also think it is a bit disrespectful to the animal. Probably sounds strange but I tend to feel like I in some small way honor the animal more if I do the deboning etc myself and can see and understand that it was a living animal. Not just some small parcel of meat neatly wrapped in plastic. This kind of thing makes it easy for people to judge hunting etc. Anyhow, glad you folk are good! |
@ 02:10 pm (GMT) |
Anthony ZarconeRe: NZ quakesNathan,Very glad to hear that Steph, Riley, and you are safe....... always the most important consideration. Our prayers and best wishes for you all. Your friend Anthony Zarcone Missouri, USA |
@ 02:50 pm (GMT) |
mark korteRe: NZ quakesMy prayers to those affected by the quake. Glad to hear everyone's OK and I definitely agree that the masses have no idea (nor do many of them even want to know) where their food comes from. I feel lucky to live in a place where hunting success is a commonly overheard conversation in the grocery line and people greet each other at the post office with questions of success in the field.Anthony - where are you from in Missouri? I grew up there. |
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@ 07:45 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesWell, the power is up and running again so its back to modern living for us. The power lines are still pretty stuffed though. So if I go offline or the phone is dead, that may be why. Line man says the lines need full replacement. In any case, its not a hint of what some folk are living with down south.There are two docos I think many of you would enjoy (currently on Netflix). One is Happy People, about a small village in Russia where the only source of income is trapping. The comments made by hunters really sum up the sense of freedom. But in contrast (extreme) to the above, is the doco First Contact. This covers the meeting of a tribe in the Amazon, caught on film in 2014. Documented through to just recently. The dialect was close enough to modern native that it did not take long to translate (12 months?). The same difficulties came up as has occurred in the past such as immediate disease with contact and also misunderstandings leading to conflict. But I think what was most interesting was that the natives were very afraid at all times. Kudos to the people who rushed the translation as this allowed for near immediate raw documentation of primitive life. The tribes people stated that they never slept well, always worried about the jaguar, snakes or other raiding tribes (actually more like corrupt mil units and drug cultivators). If the hunting was poor, they may not eat for up to four days at a time. They did not appear to enjoy life very much. They thought clothes were just amazing and never wanted to be naked again. They thought footwear was equally amazing, a must have. The Brazilian law is right out of the Start Trek script, no attempt is to be made to contact isolated tribes. They must come to you. You could see by their body language that these were a people wired for constant danger. Each country has its history notes on first contact, pioneers who met the red man, the Australian aborigine, the natives of NZ. There are many tribes that are still living rough such as in PNG. But what we seldom see is the body language and natural human behavior at the moment of first contact, not on video. I think most of you would agree that clothes are a pretty cool invention, and shoes and gun powder. Steel is amazing. The Australian aborigine had access to an abundance of iron in the west but never clicked as to how to use it. Much or our evolution seems to be comprised of ongoing first contacts. Just because Andrew wants to make his own bread, may not mean that he wants to go without clothes. There have been times when it has snowed here and I wondered how the heck our native people survived without heavy insulation. The trouble is, we gave our natives clothing and muskets, then took their lands and hunting grounds away. People need balance and I think what most grass roots hunters want is this sense of balance. You adopt some things, but you keep some things. So while we seem to live away from nature, we never forget that we are a part of nature with our own seasons. |
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@ 08:17 pm (GMT) |
Andrew MurrayRe: NZ quakesDon't get me wrong, I enjoy a good skinny dip as much as the next person, probably more than the next... There was a time a mate and myself went for a dip on a scorching hot day in the river, only to have a group of school girls pop down, they were wearing their swimmers of course, but it meant we had to stay in the water for an extra hour...There are some really interesting documents, journals and letters from early European explorers (people like Charles Sturt) in Australia that tell the stories of stone buildings and cultivated crops and large, fixed communities that the Indigenous Australians had before the British settled. One of the stories tells about 9 miles of grain being bundled after harvest. Here's a link if you're interested: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous-australia's-agricultural-past/5452454">Rethinking Indigenous Australia's agricultural past</a> This picture of nomadic tribes and primitive peoples is somewhat of a myth, one that was promoted in Australia to justify the British plundering of the land. There is evidence that Australian Aborigines had bread 15,000 years before anyone else. Echoing your thoughts Nathan, I'd like to have the skills to live entirely self-sufficient, but would not choose to do so unless the need arose. |
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@ 12:06 am (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: NZ quakesOne amazing piece of technology that changed the American West and held off white expansion into the Central United States (or what would become) was the horse. The Comanche Indians were a small, nomadic hunter-gatherer band that was pushed around by larger and more powerful tribes living in mortal fear until they got their hands on horses.After the horse, Comanches dominated a swath of the central United States from the Dakota's to Mexico. By many standards they were known as the best light cavalry since Genghis Khan. If any of you are into books, "Empire of the Summer Moon" is a great read, and it gives some insight into just how much a single advancement in technology can change a culture. |
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@ 08:55 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesWell, it looks as though many people have been evacuated from kaikoura. I wonder how long it will take to clear the highway. Quite amazing to see that the east coast has risen a metre with one report of a 6 metre lift at one of the reefs. I have to wonder if the west coast has in turn taken a tip down or whether we had upwards movement only and to what extent from east to west. It will be interesting to learn more as time passes. Hard to fathom, an entire land mass rising in the space of a couple of minutes. I guess it is not new though, Napier gained new coastal real estate after the 1931 quake.Thanks for the read Andrew, much appreciated. The NZ maori were also cropping before Europeans arrived. Most interesting is the Kumara, a native of South America. That would have been an epic journey. Note also that the Australian Aborigine gene is present at the lowest tip of Argentina. I believe there are only two remaining sisters alive, the last decendents of their tribe. So it seems that atleast some native Australian went for a very extended walk about. |
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@ 02:10 am (GMT) |
Andrew MurrayRe: NZ quakesThat doco "Happy People" was great. Very insightful and amazing to watch people living on the edge so to speak and using techniques that are centuries old. Watching make those traps and skis were great. |
@ 12:33 am (GMT) |
Richard ButlerRe: NZ quakesWell if Kaikoura wanted to get on the map I'm not convinced this was the way.At present there are 6 naval boats from various nations out front. Nearly every civilian chopper in the country seems to be in the vicinity. Red Cross, Civil Defence, Insurance reps, EQC and Scientists are here. The Army has arrived cross country. Remedial work to get power, septic and water services is on going. As far as I know evacuations are continuing but many visitors have gone. The biggy now is what will happen with State Highway 1. If it does not reopen or is rerouted then Kaikoura becomes a very different place. Once the decisions are made and the Inland Road opened then the diggers will start. Choppers and diggers, priceless. Amazing how many people and organizations put effort into a wee place like ours. Good to see. |
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@ 08:29 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: NZ quakesThanks for the update Richard. Good to hear that there is help in the area. It still blows me away that the west rose a metre or more in some places. Just incredible.Thanks again for touching base and letting us know how it is in Kaikoura. |
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